@JenniferClint there is no point going through these rankings as you see they are surprised Darmouth is so high but in front office NYC jobs you come across way more Brown and Dartmouth people than Duke for example. Dartmouth is in fact one of top schools wall street firms higher from…brown has excellent representation on wall street and is v entrepreneurial
@ccfk1221 So your response is “trust me, I know what I’m talking about”? That’s fine.
Can you name any prominent bulge bracket CEOs from Brown? Someone like John Mack or Alan Schwartz?
Probably worth noting that one of the most admired men on Wall Street (Jamie Dimon) chose to send his daughter to Duke.
^^Nobody should choose a school based on where Jamie Dimon (or anyone else) sends a child.
I’d recommend your S re-visit Brown and then decide. I think the two schools have somewhat different vibes and he should choose the one he feels more comfortable/happy with. Both are academically excellent.
Fair point perhaps, but Guggenheim Partners is not a Bulge Bracket.
Edit: forgot that he was also CEO of Bear Sterns (former BB), my apologies
@warblersrule can you provide the link with that data? Thanks in advance.
I hope the daughter chose
Thanks everyone and didn’t mean to create controversy. Likely off to RI for a visit.
Dm me and I can give you the name of the best place to stay for visits and places to eat and or see while your here in pvd.
who cares where jamie dimon sent his daughter…he will send her on mars and you will follow? how did that work out for schwartz at bear stearns…he did an amazing job…this discussion is ridiculous some top people in finance and tech from brown CEO of BOFA Moynihan is Brown alum, former Apple CEO and investor Sculley, Uber’s new CEO etc
@yikesyikesyikes Alan Schwarz was CEO of Bear Stearns (which was definitely considered BB). Bart McDade (tasked with saving Lehman) was also a Dukie.
@Nocreativity1 You haven’t created any controversy. We’re just making spirited arguments 
@ccfk1221 Apple and Uber are not financial services companies. Brian Moynihan is a fair response.
Sculley’s tenure at Apple was not without its own share of controversy.
And if we’re going to list random CEOs, then Duke can claim the current CEO of Apple (the most valuable company in the world), the current CEO of P&G (10x more revenue than Uber), etc.
Also, back to banking. I want to throw some more names out there. Steven Black (former co-CEO of JP Morgan).
And this guy: http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-names-ashok-varadhan-sole-head-of-securities-2018-5
Ashok Varadhan (head of Goldman’s trading business; one of the firm’s youngest ever partners).
Tim Cook went to Auburn undergrad. Duke business school.
Which is part of the point that fighting over which undergrad is better for success in life is essentially meaningless . All tech oriented business folks should go to auburn? or quit before you finish like gates jobs and zuckerberg. Or not go at all like Michael dell ?Well of course not.
And when comes to the splitting of hairs over Wall Street. How about Warren Buffett he’s pretty well respected. University of Nebraska and here’s what he has to say on the matter.
“When Warren Buffett is looking at hiring a new employee or finding a new company to invest in, he has a lot of criteria. But, one thing he isn’t looking for are fancy university degrees.
“I don’t care where someone went to school, and that never caused me to hire anyone or buy a business,” Buffett says “
Go where you like and do the best you can! Duke is great. Brown is great. Auburn is great. University of Nebraska is great. Any top 150 schools in America are unique gifts.
Are you really saying that an Auburn degree has the same value as a Princeton degree? You can do well anywhere but certain schools maximize your odds of succeeding.
I get your point and it’s valid. But not necessarily the exact way many would perceive it to be.
My answer to your question, is that In the hands of the right student an Auburn degree can most definitely be as valuable. Ie Tim Cook and countless others. But the average Princeton student (versus Princeton as an entity) is so darn smart they will succeed at a higher frequency than most other students, especially in certain academically rigorous professions such as advanced science and research medicine & academia. Highly selective undergraduate recruiting also benefits the Ivy Leaguer.
But after that first job or the professional school admittance - the advantages dissipate. There is loads of research on the pay gap initially enjoyed by the ivy level grad disappeaing over time. It soon becomes more about the indiovud than the college advantage.
I also think the Princeton grad has the advantage when there is a virtual tie for a promotion or when competing for a position. But as Marilyn Monroe. stated. “Looks are great but after two minutes you’re on your own”. Such is life and such is the ug presitige advantage.
and the guy who is leaving is from Brown…the discussion is pointless, personally i dont care which school who went and all i can say that recruiting at brown is as good if not better for finance and its closer to nyc and boston so getting internships is easier too
@yikesyikesyikes entrepreneurs tend to trade more in what they have accomplished and pedigree than their GPA in my experience. What you hear all the time in the incubators is people described like “she’s a Haas MBA from Google peddling her second social media app” or “he has exited 3 start ups” maybe there is a GPA story buried underneath all of that but it is quickly buried by resume.
Is it the student or is it the college that results in career success? Stacy Dale and Alan Krueger performed a careful analysis of this question in 2002, and concluded that “Students who attended more selective colleges do not earn more than other students who were accepted and rejected by comparable schools but attended less selective colleges. … These results are consistent with the conclusion of Hunt’s seminal research: ‘The C student from Princeton earns more than the A student from Podunk not mainly because he has the prestige of a Princeton degree, but merely because he is abler. The golden touch is possessed not by the Ivy League College, but by its students.’”
In other words, for career success as measured by salary, then for a given student, it turns out not to matter what college the student attends. It is the student’s own abilities and personal traits that, in general, will determine his or her success.
Mdphd2- while interesting and flattering that my son will be successful regardless…
My question is intended to elicit commentary from students or parents of students who have attended either Duke or Brown and wish to share their experience. Thanks.
@Nocreativity1 Sorry, the whole discussion got sidetracked about larger issues, which is what drew me in. I don’t have anything to say about either Duke or Brown. They both seem like very good schools. All I can say is that studies show that your son’s choice of college probably won’t affect his career earnings. However, that doesn’t say anything about his experience for the next 4 years.
My only advice, which addresses the academic experience and not the social experience, would be for your son to read the course catalogs of the two universities and try to make up a 4-year schedule for each. Are there courses or programs that seem more appealing at one versus the other? Brown offers an Open Curriculum, which gives students a lot of choice, but is that something that your son would take advantage of? On the other hand, Duke has more traditional General Education requirements, and maybe those classes seem more in line with your son’s preferences. Perhaps your son’s anticipated major has more advanced electives at one university compared with the other, or a more well thought-out introductory series.
Best of luck with his decision!
Regrettably his choice also won’t effect what it costs me.
No problem at all and in fact your content was interesting. Thanks for taking the time to respond.