<p>Except that you're being told by Columbia grads that are conducting first round on-campus interviews where everyone attends Columbia. The number they bring back for further rounds still has to mesh with all the other candidates the firm is meeting with.</p>
<p>Yes, but they can still push harder for someone who wants to join their group and is from Columbia. Seems pretty intuitive for me, since most applicants want to get into the M&A groups, which are not the Columbia dominated ones. If you're a top candidate and you know you're likely to get an offer, you might express an interest for, say, M&A or TMT instead. </p>
<p>Anyway, since you're not a prospective student, there's no need to continue this discussion. I think we've turned this thread into our own conversation...</p>
<p>well first of all representation on wall street is definitely close between columbia, dartmouth, and duke, so its not like columbia blows the other schools out of the water. furthermore, the alumni connection is probably stronger at dartmouth than at columbia (my personal feeling is that dartmouth alumni probably identify and connect with their school better). i find it absurd that a bulge bracket ibd would not have any dartmouth or duke kids, either that is bs or its a complete anomaly. finally, columbia is probably not most represented after harvard and wharton. yale, princeton, nyu are probably all up there.</p>
<p>edit: pearlfire let's not get carried away. blackstone is not active on campus and they do not give presentations through cce. the most they have is a m&a resume drop (not on-campus), and they do not recruit for restructuring or p/e. they stick to harvard and wharton. DE shaw recruits everywhere</p>
<p>You must have missed out then. You're right in that the CCE doesn't have any hooks with Blackstone. But there are plenty of student organizations. For example, the Chinese-interest business organization (I'm sure if you're a student at Columbia you know which one) got them on campus. I know that because I attended that event, which was a lunch in Lerner with about 20 students (previous resume submission was required).</p>
<p>Not sure what "everywhere" is for you, but since we're talking about Dartmouth, Duke and Columbia, let's have a look at their recruiting schedule (The</a> D. E. Shaw group | Recruiting). You can see they didn't go to Dartmouth and only attended Duke's career fair, they don't do a traditional info presentation. </p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, you do know the breakdown for GS's SA 2008 IBD class in terms of schools? The GS HR person only have us the numbers for GS across all divisions. I imagine we placed 5-10 people?</p>
<p>de shaw gives far more info sessions than what appears on their website, and saying blackstone is active on campus is definitely misleading, but whatever. i think columbia placed 5 SAs into ibd and 8 into s&t. most people hated their experience and the offer rate was so ridiculously low. they took until november to notify people of their offer status.</p>
<p>i think the question that remains to be answered is why are people still interested in finance? it is going to be dead for the next 5 years and the traditional exit ops that made it a worthwhile industry are gone.</p>
<p>You might be right about DE Shaw, but since we don't have any other public information, I used their website to back up my point. Anyway, don't even start with GS. They screwed a good friend of mine, now she signed FT with a so so consulting firm. </p>
<p>To answer your other question. I'm sure you've noticed during your internship as well that people who stay generally don't know what else they should do. TBH, I can't think of a better option for me, which is kinda sad actually. I'm open to non-traditional suggestions, if you have any.</p>
<p>Here is some info on Dartmouth and Banking. IMO its the best Ivy at finance recruiting after Harvard, Princeton, and Wharton. But Duke/ Columbia are right up there. </p>
<p>Ivy</a> Leaguers' Big Edge: Starting Pay - WSJ.com</p>
<p>Deal</a> Journal - WSJ.com : Dartmouth: A Good Week for the Unsung Ivy of Financial Connections</p>
<p>2007</a> list of BB Summer Associate class by colleges | WallStreetOasis.com</p>
<p>Once again slipper provides insightful comments about Dartmouth. Yes, quoting a wall street oasis post where a poster cannot distinguish between summer analyst and associate is very helpful. Thanks again for your wonderful contributions.</p>
<p>Slipper, you've made it very clear that you hated Columbia and love Dartmouth. Guess what? Still doesn't change the fact that Columbia places better than Dartmouth on the Street. Why don't you stop nut hugging Dartmouth and get a bloody life?</p>
<p>Stop trying, dude. (And no, I'm not just typing my name at the end of this post).</p>
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<p>A lot of things have changed over the last twenty years, old man.</p>
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<p>Nobody claimed this. No one. Stop making stuff up, old man. Seriously.</p>
<p>This whole thread is pathetic (especially stoptryingdude). </p>
<p>Any of these schools will give you the opportunity you need - it's up to you at that point. Go to the school you think fits you best, because that's the one you will personally do better at. </p>
<p>op- if your whole reason for transferring is because of a perceived increase in prestige, then don't transfer. The difference is so small that its not worth having to start over in terms of ec's, social life, etc. to justify it. If you actually have legit reasons for wanting to transfer, good luck.</p>
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<p>It was not nearly 20 years ago and I am still in the industry now. You think Wall Street is really starting to hire more Columbia grads than Dartmouth grads this decade than before? Why would this be? You think that it is selectively firing more Dartmouth grads than Columbia grads too, which is really the only way the former would really happen.</p>
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<p>Is this not someone exactly implying this? What thread are you reading?</p>
<p>No matter which one places you better initially, one fact is clear: Dartmouth has more Fortune 500 CEOs than Columbia (Dartmouth is 5th place overall in gross numbers). Read into that what you will. Also, Dartmouth grads make the most money not initially, but 10 years after graduation. What does that tell you? The skills and knowledge we gained in college better prepared us to be successful (albeit by one metric) in whichever career we chose to pursue.</p>
<p>Stoptrying- all of this is anecdotal, including Pearfire's input. I actually put some real articles forward. I have no idea how you think Columbia does better than Duke and Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Slipper, which school do you go to?</p>
<p>LUKEJDAVIS, I believe slipper1234 has been a student at Columbia, Dartmouth, and Wharton.</p>
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<p>That’s kind of embarrassing. </p>
<p>Here’s some Duke grads on Wall Street:</p>
<p>James C. Zelter-- CEO Apollo
Steve Black-- Head of Investment Banking, J.P. Morgan
John Mack-- CEO, Morgan Stanley
Alan Schwartz-- former CEO, Bear Stearns
Robert Steele-- Former CEO, Wachovia. Former Vice-Chair, Goldman Sachs.</p>
<p>Duke’s presence is strong and is growing. Columbia’s best days are behind it.</p>
<p>As someone admitted to both, I’m not sure why one would want to attend a school with no campus life and negative school spirit. There are no Columbia kids with me in the M&A group at my top 3 bank.</p>
<p>Columbia has more recognition both within the finance field and among the general population, and I doubt you can claim that Duke offers any significant advantages over Columbia. Seems like a pretty easy decision to me.</p>
<p>…and duke500, listing 5 current and former CEOs does not prove a thing</p>
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<p>I don’t think either school offers any significant advantages over the other with respect to investment banking prospects. </p>
<p>That being said, I think Duke offers a much more enjoyable undergraduate experience with similar job opportunities to Columbia.</p>
<p>Also, having people at the head of the top PE shops and Investment Banks serves to reinforce the notion that Duke has investment banking prowess.</p>
<p>Not picking sides here but Columbia has Warren Buffet.</p>