<p>Which school is better represented/more heavily recruited for Wall Street?</p>
<p>If they are roughly equal, would Columbia students have the advantage of being able to do internships during the school year?</p>
<p>About even and yes, if you're willing to work during the school year. IMO the big advantage goes to Dartmouth which has the D plan so students can work Fall/Winter/Spring when others are in school.</p>
<p>I would say equals overall. Almost NO ONE does an internships during the school year (except Dartmouth with the D-plan, an advantage). I would choose the one you like more, NYC location for Columbia really isn't that big a deal since all the top banks travel for recruiting.</p>
<p>Of course Columbia is better represented on the Street. Just to name an example, Goldman's SA 2008 class had over 70 students from Wharton, over 50 from both Harvard and Columbia. The HR person said WHC always have the biggest representation at Goldman. Also, Columbia has over 3000 alums at Goldman. </p>
<p>To put this in perspective though, I think someone who can get into the Street from Columbia can do it from Duke as well. As long as your school is a target, you'll get an interview with the right credentials. When you get to the interview stage, it's up to you anyway.</p>
<p>Not true. Look at the recruiting lists from Vault. com or any of the banker threads on CC. Duke does as well as Columbia.</p>
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Just to name an example, Goldman's SA 2008 class had over 70 students from Wharton, over 50 from both Harvard and Columbia. The HR person said WHC always have the biggest representation at Goldman. Also, Columbia has over 3000 alums at Goldman.
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<p>can you give me a source which lists the various schools GS and other banks had interns from?</p>
<p>I guess you could say Columbia has some advantage on the street because it's in NY</p>
<p>but really they are equal in terms of opportunity</p>
<p>Columbia's a more selective school and is more prestigious, but there's no real measurable difference between Duke and Columbia recruiting on Wall Street.</p>
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<p>Exaggerate, much?</p>
<p>I'm at Columbia and did an internship at a boutique investment bank in Manhattan and I know 10+ people who are interning at other banks, bulge brackets, private equity firms, and hedge funds in midtown. </p>
<p>After Harvard and Wharton, Columbia is the most well-represented on the street. Dartmouth and Duke aren't even close. Period. I was at a bulge bracket (one that's still alive) in investment banking this summer and there were ZERO people from Dartmouth and Duke. To put that in perspective, Columbia had 5 students. From a career perspective, you'd be a bloody idiot to turn down Columbia for Dartmouth or Duke.</p>
<p>Those are your sources, slipper? Vault and College Confidential? HAHAHHAA.</p>
<p>Take it from someone who actually was a summer analyst in IBD at a BB, Columbia places better than Dartmouth and Duke combined.</p>
<p>Duke does like to have an overexaggerated view of themselves. They strut around and act like they are as selective as HYPS and even Columbia, Dartmouth. Definitely a huge reason why I decided not to go there; the tour guides and admissions people kept on talking about Duke and the "other Ivies". It's like they haven't learned the age-old adage of "Being happy with who you are". Duke seems to have an inferioritity complex, out of all the top privates that aren't Ivies or MIT, Stanford (such as Emory, Rice, Northwestern, WashU, etc.), they seem to like to compare and put themselves on a pedestal with Harvard and the like.</p>
<p>All right guys, let's not let this get into one huge fight. </p>
<p>slipper, let's put things into perspective. Each class at Columbia has about 1400 students (Columbia College+SEAS excl. General Studies). Out of those 1400, maybe 30% are interested in the financial services industry, so we have about 400 potential candidates. I know of over 20 people personally who intern on the Street during the semester and I'd say I know about 400 people in my class. You see your comment is just way to exaggerated, I'm not sure where you got it from but I wouldn't base my opinions of hearsay. </p>
<p>quag_mire, you won't find any of this information online. I was given this info by the GS rep for our school. I was quite surprised too, since I didn't think we'd perform that well against Princeton, Yale, MIT, etc. But in the end I think it makes sense. Princeton and Yale's student population are also very interested in consulting, which isn't the case at Columbia. We're more focused on FO jobs at investment banks. Just to back this up with my own experience: when I went through SA interviews for IBD, it was very noticeable that WHC had a much greater representation than the rest. </p>
<p>Here are a few reasons why I think Columbia does so well when it comes to IB:
1. VERY strong alumni network on the Street (Top3 after W and H)
2. Lots of aspiring bankers, ergo the TOTAL number of applicants and eventual bankers is high as well.
3. Abundance of networking opportunities (we have about 5 extremely active finance related clubs on campus that all promote tons of networking opportunities)
4. Highly regarded by top employers, e.g. Blackstone and DE Shaw are active on our campus (presentations and on-campus recruiting), we also placed people at RenTec (arguably the best HF in the world)</p>
<p>I interned at GS this past summer and can vouch that this year Columbia had second biggest representation across all divisions (including Ops/IT) after Wharton. Generally Columbia tends to do very well at bulge brackets, more so than Duke. In my division (ibd/s&t), the numbers were a bit more equal.</p>
<p>Columbia DOES have better overall representation on wall street. there's no question about that though several top wall street CEOs did graduate from Duke. However I think the benefit is outweighed by the fact that at columbia you will be competing against everyone in the class since everybody wants to go into finance. I would imagine Duke's competition to be less fierce. </p>
<p>In the end it won't really matter for bulge brackets, but Columbia gets the edge due to location since there are so many small hedge funds and boutique firms that require you to interview in their offices at NYC.</p>
<p>As someone who hired at a bulge bracket for over 25 years, Dartmouth and Duke are at least as represented as Coulmbia.</p>
<p>I do have to agree many kids will work part time during the school year from both Stern and Columbia, but they are not doing internships.</p>
<p>Motivated students at NYU/Columbia are able to do financial internships during the school year. I only know of 1 formal program during the school year by a bb, and that's the merrill lynch night analyst program. students from those schools are able to work two nights a week, from 9pm - 2am, for 4 months. Generally those who complete it are given a summer analyst offer for the same year. This year the program was cancelled for obvious reasons...</p>
<p>However, there are multiple school year internships that any New York college student can do. Many of them are unpaid, but for anyone going for their first summer analyst position, interviewers want to see at least some interest in finance.</p>
<p>quote[After Harvard and Wharton, Columbia is the most well-represented on the street. Dartmouth and Duke aren't even close. Period. I was at a bulge bracket (one that's still alive) in investment banking this summer and there were ZERO people from Dartmouth and Duke. To put that in perspective, Columbia had 5 students. From a career perspective, you'd be a bloody idiot to turn down Columbia for Dartmouth or Duke.
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<p>My BB IB analyst class had more from both Dartmouth and Duke than from Columbia. All of these schools are putting you in the running. To think that Columbia is better to go to at that point vs what you personally show you can bring to the table is ridiculous to me. Once you are on the the other side of the table and realize how insignificant it is whether some went to Columbia or Dartmouth vs what they offer you will see the difference.</p>
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After Harvard and Wharton, Columbia is the most well-represented on the street. Dartmouth and Duke aren't even close. Period. I was at a bulge bracket (one that's still alive) in investment banking this summer and there were ZERO people from Dartmouth and Duke. To put that in perspective, Columbia had 5 students. From a career perspective, you'd be a bloody idiot to turn down Columbia for Dartmouth or Duke.
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<p>My BB IB analyst class had more from both Dartmouth and Duke than from Columbia. Your experience of having a summer internship vs others on here with years of Wall Street experience pales in comparison. All of these schools are putting you in the running. To think that Columbia is better to go to at that point vs what you personally show you can bring to the table is ridiculous to me. Once you are on the the other side of the table, you will realize how insignificant it is whether some went to Columbia or Dartmouth vs what they personally offer to the firm. In addition, I've generally found that some less represented schools actually have a stronger alumni network because people relate to each other more; possessing a more unique kinship and identity among alums.</p>
<p>ML didn't run the program this year, which wasn't a big surprise to me. </p>
<p>I think it's pointless to argue any further, people from both camps will just continue to argue their case. Anyway, Dartmouth has a smaller class, so obviously the overall number of Dartmouth alumni on the Street will be smaller as well. Maybe you're right on a percentage basis, but it's pretty obvious that Columbia has more bankers on the Street in absolute terms than both Dartmouth or Duke. </p>
<p>gellino, maybe it's like that at your bank. For for some groups at BBs, there's a strong Columbia dominance and we were specifically told that our chances would increase if we voiced an interest in said groups.</p>
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gellino, maybe it's like that at your bank. For for some groups at BBs, there's a strong Columbia dominance and we were specifically told that our chances would increase if we voiced an interest in said groups.
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<p>Told by whom? Most of the firms that my friends/classmates/colleagues have gone to first make an offer to the candidate and then determine what group they will go to afterwards.</p>
<p>For instance, by one of the most active BBs that recruit at our place. They came about 10 times to our schools this semester alone, IBD came 4 times themselves (this is just for undergrad, so excluding CBS). The info I stated was given to us at a network lunch by 2 associates. </p>
<p>The generalist application is still true for most banks but that doesn't exclude what I said. They said, we'll interview with Columbia alums for 1st rounds, so if we voiced an interest in certain groups, they'd push harder for our applications. Although you can't fill out the interest form until you get accepted, it makes sense to me that they'll want you more if you're from Columbia and want to be in their group.</p>