<p>UNC Chapel Hill is my first choice! I was wondering if I had the credentials to get in. Somebody tell me what they're lookin for! Pleeeez!</p>
<p>4.1 GPA (Top 5%)
1370 Sat I (Verb: 700, Math: 670)
Sat IIs: Math 2c 740, Writing 630, Global 730, Chem 660
APs: Psych-5, US-4
This year taking AP... Bio, Calc BC, Spanish, & English Lit
Job during school year: Clerk @ Pharmacy
WHITE & OUT OF STATE
Extra.: Varsity soccer, varsity track, varsity lacrosse captain, guitar, jujitsu black belt, spanish club and honor society, math team and honor society, national honor society, American Cancer Society, Operation Smile
Awards: Rensselaer Medal, High Honor Roll (9-12), Highest Spanish GPA (9-12)
Essays: 1st one is good, 2nd ok, optional one is good</p>
<p>So What are my odds guys? Is that enough for an out of state kid?</p>
<p>My son was a legacy (they do not not put much emphasis on this but it counts some.)
He applied last year and had 1400 SAT 1. 760 v and 640 math. His 3 sat 2's averaged 700 and he had lots of the same activities you do. He was deferred on his first choice school (Penn) where he was also a legacy (and this is truly a far greater school than when I went there and he was deferred at UNC even though he had written to withdraw his application. But I really did not care about UNC because he got into his second choice (Emory) on ED2. Emory is a fabulous school and he loves it and it is probably easier to get in there than UNC out of state and is a far better school. Now let me give you my opinion that UNC is not the school it was in the 60's. The campus is rundown--particularly the fraternities. The admissions office was somewhat arrogant. Since it is required to take so many in-state people with credentials that are far less than the out-of staters you tend to get a dichotomy of the two groups. I am really amazed and puzzled by the attraction to UNC by those from out of state. By the way, if you are a star at lacrosse or particularly soccer you are in. This school is living on a reputation that is not deserved except with respect to certain academic departments. It is not in the same league as Virginia and everyone knows this. The campus is still somewhat beautiful but not nearly like it was years ago and there is the usual construction and fences that diminish the looks. I am just curious--why do you or other out of state folks like this school so much? what is the attraction? I would love to hear. Having said this, the graduate busines school and law schools are excellent.</p>
<p>Well I'm not quite sure where all the dislike for UNC comes from but I do know that the US News ranks Emory a whopping 9 spots above Chapel-Hill. When you get to that level honestly I dont believe the rankings really differentiate the schools. You are going to receive the same quality education at Chapel Hill than if you went to Emory or Brown. The campus and the town were ranked #1 and are still beautiful. Also although Chapel Hill prides itself upon its athletic teams, which in general are highly ranked, it is still one of the best institutions in the country for higher learning. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but I dont think its neccessary to bash the school or the in-staters who work hard to get there considering that I am one.</p>
<p>Yo bro I went there and they were very nice to take me back in the day. I am indebted to them for this. I am just calling it like I see it. Again, I am asking out of state folks. UNC has some great departments like theatre and English. I went there with my son fully prepared to like it (although I suspected it would be very very difficult for him to get in) and, as I said I was very disappointed with what I saw at the school as contrasted with many years ago. And frankly, the admissions office was rather cold and ran the session with little empathy for the prospects. (I never mentioned I had gone there) No question you can get a great education there and my congratulations to you for your acceptance. And the school has the great athletics it always had--probably better today although Dean Smith was great. Again, my puzzlement is why our of state kids that can go to Stanford, Wash U, and the Ivies and UVA (notice I did not include Duke) love UNC. As you know, the number of out of state kids applying is staggering for the few spots available and the ones who end up getting in are unbelievably qualified. A friend of ours son was also deferred the year before my son with low 1400's on the SAT and over 1000 hours of community service and all kinds of good EC's and from a semi- elite private school . He was ultimately accepted off the wait list and is there now. No put-down of UNC but it has climbed in the rankings and I am curious what motivates the people from out of state.</p>
<p>No I understand what you saying it is kinda ridiculous how hard out of state it is to get into UNC but its not the university its the state legislature that passed that law requiring certain percentages. Chances are kinda slim for out of staters bc like u said the number of spots is extremely small relative to the number of applicants. I think its primarily bc of the great history that it still attracts such large numbers of applicants every year even if you believe that it has somehow deteriorated. I dont know where I stand on the requirements thing but it is the state university of North Carolina so they should have majority North Carolinians but at other schools like UVA there is a larger number of out of staters that are admitted and enroll. Thanks for not mentioning Duke, the domination of Duke will occur this year at home and at Cameron and everyone will know which school is better.</p>
<p>My D. was deferred..and it really is true..instate she would have been in no problem. Its really tough for out of staters, and esp. female out of staters. Its a lovely campus and has a great rep. BUT in my opinion..UMD where she ended up is great also and lots cheaper as we are in state..
In other words the tough to get in rep is only cus bylaw they can take so few..but if you lived there you would be in.
As far as your chances..I wish you luck but I think the odds are slim ..sorry.</p>
<p>relaxwolf- the reason i like unc so much is that a) it is great for premed B)it has a great reputation c) its division I sports d) its not full of flaming liberals</p>
<p>dont be sorry- i would rather you be honest but i think i have some chance just because my hook is pretty good having a black belt in jujitsu and also that I play 3 varsity sports and am the captain of one of them</p>
<p>The top 5% of the class is a huge factor for many schools. I am not sure about Carolina. One thing you may want to consider is the University of Maryland. While in no way is it spoken of in the same terms as UNC, it actually is quite a good school. I went there prepared to brush it off but I was absolutely wowed by it. Out tour guide was an amazing individual. It is true that most of the tour guides are very good representatives but this guy was superlative. The campus is very pretty and it is a school that is far superior to what it was years ago. It also has the great athletics of course (that I do not put much stock in myself--i think it sometimes detracts from the academic atmosphere athough it is a school-spirit builder. Anyway, this school will also be much warmer than Rochester and it has the great benefit of being close enought o washington DC that you can intern there for the congress or a government agency. There are also a lot of jobs in the area after graduation and the Universsity os very well respected in the washington DC area--that continues to grow at a rapid pace. You can get into DC in one hour from the campus due to metro. My very best wishes to both of you aspirants to UNC I know how important the college search is to kids.</p>
<p>thanx relaxwolf-i appreciate the kind words
but unfortunately its a little late to apply to maryland
but i was thinking about it
anyways unc is my first choice and for some reason i dont want to go anywhere else
o well- if i dont get in i'll just burn down the admissions building (just kidding)
by the way- this is ctagz1010 im just under my friend's name</p>
<p>My D. was in the very top of her class also..and a national scholar for both art and academics..and lots of community service. She was deferred..and she did go to her second choice MD. And she loves it! The school is totally awesome!
I am not a big sports fan..but I am now! The facilities are incredible.
The town is not the prettiest though.</p>
<p>BTW relaxwolf what do you mean by "it actually is quite a good school" ..dont be so surprised!! LOL its an awesome school!</p>
<p>It does help ctagz that you are male, are you good enough at sports that you are being recruited? If so that will help. If not then I think the odds are slim.
They like legacies and people with a hook ..</p>
<p>We worked out the numbers..ok 17% from out of state..it works out to they end up actually taking I think it was like 700 and thats it..So its not a level playing field. And odds are not good. Since they have a higher female ratio they like guys better and if you have a hook like EXCELL at sports or something else your odds are better. If not your SAT best be very good like 1400 + and your academics outstanding and then you have a shot..but its still iffy.</p>
<p>Sad thing is if you are instate its so much easier. My hubby said to me..that even if D. got in (she was deferred..then waitlisted..then she accepted 2cd choice UMD -) she would have to convince him it was worth the additional dollars.</p>
<p>So its hard to get in status is due to the limited amount of kids they can admit by law.</p>
<p>What really got me was an athlete that lives about30minutes from us got in. Apparently he is an EXCEPTIONAL ball player but he is injured..he said he has no intents of graduating..just stay there till he gets better.
and of course his academic record was not that good...BUT he had a HOOK..</p>
<p>As mandated by the University of North Carolina General Administration, 82 percent of each freshman class must be comprised of residents of North Carolina. For this reason, the number of available admission spots for out-of-state students is significantly smaller. Additionally, we receive more applications from students outside of the state. In recent years, approximately 17,000 students have applied for freshmen admission at Carolina. A little less than 10,000 of those students were considered out-of-state for admission purposes. Approximately 1,600 to 1,750 of those students received admission offers. The remaining 7,000 applicants were North Carolina residents. Usually about 4,500 of those students are admitted. These admission offers are targeted at yielding a freshman class of 3,500. There are no additional requirements for out-of-state students; we use the same process to evaluate both in-state and out-of-state students. However, because we are limited in the number we may admit from out of state and because we receive applications from very well qualified students throughout the nation and the world, the competition for out of state students is extremely strong.</p>
<p>okay i'll bite to see what you guys think.
I applied regular though, but there's no other posts for this kind of thing.</p>
<p>ASIAN female
out of state</p>
<p>ACT: 34 (equivalent to a 1530 on the SAT)
SATII Spanish with Listening 750
SAT II English 720
GPA 4.51 weighted
AP European History 4
AP U.S. History 4
AP WOrld History 4
AP Spanish language 5
AP English Literature 4
IB Spanish SL 7</p>
<p>IB Program</p>
<p>This year: 7 IB Classes; one half credit of a non-ib class (schedule)</p>
<p>Extras: Interact Club (4 years; president 3 years); BETA Club (3 years; officer 1); NHS (2 years); KEY Club (2 years); Academic Bowl (4 years); orchestra (3 years - last year couldn't due to schedule - violinist); LEO Club (not a school club; community club 3 years); Student council (2 years); Asian Club (4 years), hospital volunteer one summer; library volunteer one summer; Camp Kool Kidz (disabled children's camp 1 summer); Anime Weekend Atlanta volunteer (2 years), Earth Club (1 year)
around 300+ hours total</p>
<p>Awards: Outstanding achievement in IB Spanish IV & V, Principal's honor roll, Georgia laws of life essay contest honorable mention, Lions Young Leaders in Service Award, Rotary Youth Leadership Award, AP Scholar with Distinction</p>
<p>oh yeah, and I applied for Robertson Scholars</p>