<p>An interesting article from the Observer, the campus newspaper, about Early Action applicants. Those of you who were accepted EA might enjoy reading it.</p>
<p>hmmm I getting worried, so as a regular decision candidate my minority status will not help me because the early action minority applicants have already been selected? oh no :( im kinda confused and disappointed at the same time</p>
<p>Hi Vita! The article doesn't say that all the minority applicants that were going to get accepted were in early admission. The article is projecting the total amount of minority applicants who will be accepted into the full 2009 class. </p>
<p>Here's a quote from the article:
"Of the 1,362 applicants who were admitted under early action - the remaining 1,438 were denied or deferred to the regular decision pool - 17 percent are ethnic minorities, Saracino said. "That should transfer into a total of 22 or 23 percent when the dust settles come May." </p>
<p>So 17% of the applicants accepted early are ethnic minorities - based on past numbers, they are estimating there will still be an additional 5-6% of applications accepted from minority applicants. </p>
<p>So don't worry or be disappointed. :)</p>
<p>Wait - isn't it 17% of the 1362 admitted students, not 17% of the 3400 that will finally be admitted? So...</p>
<p>17% of 1362 is 231 admitted minorities so far. 22% minority admissions out of 3400 total admits is 748. With approximately 2040 acceptances still to come in regular action, one could assume about 500 or more of those will be minorities to get the minority admits up to 22% for the entire admitted class, or to put it another way, 25% of the upcoming RA admits will be minorities, not 5-6%. Did I figure that correctly?</p>
<p>Hi Docmom! From the way the article reads, it looks like the ENTIRE class will have 22-23% minority admissions. It looks like they projected this number from the amount of EA minority acceptances. I think the figure is based on the entire class, and not a "new" percentage of admissions from the RA.</p>
<p>Here's the quote I'm basing that on: "That should transfer into a total of 22 or 23 percent when the dust settles come May," he said, which is consistent with the Class of 2007's 21 percent and the Class of 2008's 22 percent ethnic minority representation."</p>
<p>??? I'm not talking about a new percentage. This is just basic math. Let me have another stab at it. You are correct - the ENTIRE class will have 22-23% minority admissions - and that is the 748 figure I used (22% of 3400 admitted). It will boil down to 440 total <em>enrolling</em> minorities, out of 748 <em>admitted</em> minorities.</p>
<p>What you quoted above was: "Of the 1,362 applicants who were admitted under early action - the remaining 1,438 were denied or deferred to the regular decision pool - 17 percent are ethnic minorities, Saracino said. "That should transfer into a total of 22 or 23 percent when the dust settles come May." </p>
<p>So, take out all the superfluous words and it reads, "Of the 1362 applicants who were admitted...17 percent are ethnic minorities." 17% of 1362 is 231 already admitted minorities. Now, as you correctly point out, they are aiming for a TOTAL class with about 22-23% minorities. They admit about 3400 students every year, with about 2000 enrolling. But their enrolling percentages (2000 admitted students actually choosing ND) mirror their admitted percentages (3400), and their applicant percentages, (although not as closely), so you can safely assume they will be admitted 22-23% minorities, and the final enrolling class will reflect that percentage, as well.</p>
<p>So...since 22 percent of 3400 is 748 (when all is said and done, the TOTAL number of admitted minorities based on the 22% projection) and that number INCLUDES the 231 already admitted in EA, there are about 500 more admissions slots that will be taken by minorities, and this obviously must be in RA since EA has already happened. I'm just breaking out EA and RA figures, adding them together, and coming up with totals.</p>
<p>Your only slightly mistaken assumption: "It looks like they projected this number from the amount of EA minority acceptances." They project it because they know in advance that is what they will admit. The 17% admitted EA probably confirms trends they have seen in the past, but 22-23% minorities has been their goal for a few years.</p>
<p>I think we have been approaching this question from different angles. I think what is most important is that vita does not have to worry that all minority applicants have been selected. </p>
<p>I didn't realize that ND knows in advance how many minority applicants they will admit. I am frankly surprised to hear that. I thought those numbers were indicative of a projected outcome, not a planned goal which sounds like discrimination against all kids, depending on where each student stands.</p>
<p>They do want to increase their minority enrollment and do have goals in place. But remember, it can easily mean if they have two kids <strong>equally qualified</strong> they will take the minority kid over the non-minority (just like if they need more band members, they'll take a band member over a non-band member). It doesn't necessarily mean they're admitted less qualified minorities to attain those numbers, and I hope you aren't assuming that. It would be naive to think that all schools don't have goals in their admissions classes: athletes, minorities, classical musicians for the symphony, legacies, etc.</p>
<p>Now you're taking this discussion into a different arena, and I tried to use the words "projected" and "goal" in their percentages. And let me clarify: the one time when I said "they know in advance that is what they will admit," I mean that one can even look at their goal of increasing minority admissions, their past admissions history (21%) and project the 22%. I am not privy to the inner workings of their admissions department, but I do know ND has been criticized for being a non-diverse campus, and has stated their goal of increasing minority applicants (and thus, admissions). See these links:</p>
<p>And relevant to <em>this</em> discussion, it doesn't really matter how they get to it, the point is they DO get to about 22% minority admissions. So back to the original point, you are correct that vita does not have to worry that there isn't room for her. And I was just correcting your misunderstanding of the data quoted in the article, and at the same time trying to give vita some concrete idea of what the projected numbers look like. That's it.</p>
<p>I'm not sure why you are jumping all over what I've posted Docmom. I did not misunderstand the article nor the figures. I did not translate the percentage into actual numbers of students for a reason, I knew exactly what I was stating. I was simply trying to reassure vita. I started this thread for the kids who were accepted EA. I thought they would be proud of what was printed in the Observer. You think we could let this end now?</p>
<p>"jumping all over"??</p>
<p>Hey vita, if you are relying on your minority status, that is pretty pathetic! :) :)</p>
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<p>hey brenner thanks. :) really appreciate that</p>
<p>I know the truth hurts. :) :) :)</p>
<p>I don't want to insult any of you... but very few of you will probably get in... just by looking at the facts... 80% of the EA apps. had at least a combined 1480 on the SAT's...</p>
<p>hey dude why would you even make that statement? and i have a feeling it isnt even right. most people on this board that got in EA didnt have a 1480....i didnt.</p>
<p>yeah futureivyer is a negative nancy.</p>
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<p>You're much too nice in your description of FutureIVEYER. This person's opinion/views shouldn't be taken so seriously. Check out this previous post: </p>
<p>does anyone have any thoughts on the fact that 200 less applicants applied EA this yr (as stated in the article) ?? i am hoping it might help chances for us RD applicants...thanx</p>
<p>1480 would more likely be the 75+ percentile of accepted EA students... certainly my SATs were not when I was accepted</p>
<p>i bet a high concentration of the EA SAT's are between 1420 and 1500 though.</p>