early decision to Colgate or Newhouse

<p>Hey guys.. I'm very ambivalent on which school I should early decision. I'm fairly confident that I could get into both ED, but don't think I could RD. I'm very interested in journalism and have an excellent foundation with extraculiculars and so forth involving journalism. Newhouse would seem like a no brainer, but I feel that if i go there I am committing to a career in journalism right at that moment-which I am not 100% sure I want to do. </p>

<p>Something is attracting me to Colgate though. I visited late september. I love the beautiful campus and the advantages that a liberal arts education can have. Colgate also has an exceptional alumni network and their students earn the highest salaries coming out of college. However, I subconsciously think that the school is too small for me. Conversely, I could see myself turning out to love it.</p>

<p>Well there's only about a week left till the decision and I would really appreciate your guidance. Anyone have a suggestion?</p>

<p>If it helps… there doesn’t appear to be a journalism program at Colgate, although there are a few writing-related minors.</p>

<p>At Newhouse I don’t think you’re necessarily committing to a journalism career. You could still change your mind and still be at a very respected university.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Generally speaking, you shouldn’t apply ED if you don’t have a clear-cut first choice. And you don’t, so just apply to both RD.</p>

<p>At SU you can duel major. I went there and almost all the Newhouse students had double majors. Also there is so much to offer you could easily change.</p>

<p>Hey guys. Thank you for all the advice. I want to apologize for the second post I made. I was very paranoid at the moment as the early decision deadline was ticking which is by no means an excuse. I’m really sorry if I offended anyone and truly did not intend to. I value the information college confidential offers to high school students and sincerely regret posting those thoughts–I don’t know what got into me. I kind of used the thread as a way to vent, which was an awful thing to do. Thanks again everyone and I promise not to post disparaging comments again.</p>

<p>buslaner21,</p>

<p>I’m not saying it’s easy, but you need to take a stab at what your priorities really are. I don’t expect that any kid should really know what they want to do in life as an entering freshman, so if that is really you, you should get into a school that offers a lot of great options to explore. Intended majors come and go for a lot of us. Journalism and making money do not mix … not for a long time. You start at the bottom and the bottom pays peanuts. So, if you go that route just be aware. </p>

<p>I wouldn’t pick a school based on starting salaries. I’d pick a college based on fit. How well I thought it would fit me and how well I think I would fit it. And as someone else mentioned, don’t be tempted to go ED if you really aren’t crazy about a school. This forum is littered with notes from kids in the Spring, that are remorseful about an ED decision and wondering how they can get out of it. Hope that helps.</p>

<p>Colgate University
Academics:
Colgate University, “the epitome of a work hard, play hard school,” provides “a rigorous academic environment, an outstanding student and faculty population, and an abundance of social opportunities” to its “preppy,” “intelligent-but-not-nerdy” student body. Students report that “Colgate is academically strong in the humanities, such as political science, English, psychology, and economics” and “also has good natural sciences programs that are enhanced by the new science building,” a $56.3 million structure that houses 40 research labs, 13 teaching labs, and a teaching/research greenhouse. All students here must complete a set of general education requirements that “force you to look beyond your major work,” sometimes leading to discovery of new, unanticipated areas of interest. “It is not uncommon for students to double major in two vastly different departments” as a result of their gen-ed experiences, students tell us. Colgate’s size and location foster community-building; the “administration and faculty don’t just work at Colgate, but live Colgate. In this way, they are dedicated to your education and create a passionate, hands-on, and inspiring place to learn,” translating into “great opportunities to research with great professors and be in leadership positions.” The workload is tough here; “at the end of a semester you may have four final exams and 80 pages of writing to do, but that absolutely won’t stop you from going out on Friday night. (Saturday night too. And Wednesday night. Maybe Monday also.)”</p>

<p>Student Body:
“When looking from the surface, Colgate students don’t appear diverse” because of the “undeniable majority of white students all in Uggs and Oxfords,” but “although most students dress alike, there are great discussions in and out of the classroom because each Colgate student is actually very different from the next once you have the opportunity to talk to them.” Even so, just about everyone here concedes that “this is a very preppy campus.” Students tend to be “very laid-back, but in that perfectly groomed, ‘I just rolled out of bed looking this good’ kind of way.” They are also "passionate about something. Everyone has her own thing to enjoy. It could be a recreational club, a dance group, a community service group, an academic or research project, a student club, etc. You find that a lot of Colgate students are active members in one way or another</p>

<p>Campus Life:
Colgate students take pride in the fact that they can handle both demanding academics and a bustling party scene. “The daytime is for work, nighttime (except Tuesday) is for fun,” explains one student. “If you know where to look, you can find a party five days a week, and definitely on weekends.” Some warn that “The social/party scene around here can get a bit frustrating for some girls at times. If you like to be in serious relationships, Colgate is going to be a whole different ballgame for you…mostly the students here are interested in hook-ups,” but by and large student feedback on the party scene is positive. Greek life “makes up a lot of the social scene, but the school itself provides many opportunities open to the entire campus that are generally very well attended,” including “banquets, sports events, movies, etc.” Colgate football and hockey are “extremely popular;” the school is “Division I in athletics, which is unique for a small liberal arts school. This aspect brings a lot of school spirit and adds to the sense of community here.” There’s “not much to do in Hamilton” other than “three main bars and The Jug,” the latter being a “legendary” "bar/mosh pit that underclassmen go to after making the long trek from the dorms up on campus into town</p>

<p>Syracuse University:
Academics:
Syracuse University “is very strong academically” and boasts “some of the nation’s top programs” in a broad range of disciplines. Students are especially bullish on the “prestigious” S. I. Newhouse School of Public Communications, which “has some amazing professors who have worked out in the field and are eager to share all of their experiences with their students,” as well as the School of Architecture, “an energetic, sleepless journey of collaboration and individuality in an amazingly cool atmosphere.” SU’s programs in advertising, art, business, music, political science, engineering, and the life sciences also earn plaudits from undergraduates. Best of all, students say, SU delivers the benefits of “both large schools and small schools,” which means it can offer the ability “to concentrate in an area while also taking a variety of other classes that do not have to be within your major or college,” as well as plenty of research faculty who put “SU at the front of [the] material” and “professors who are always available to meet during office hours [or] by appointment.” One undergrad sums it up: “SU is big enough to have a wealth of resources but small enough so that you always fit in.” Another adds, “SU is about academics and preparing us as best as possible for our future careers, along with a little bit of men’s basketball.”</p>

<p>Student Body:
While SU undergrads report that a typical peer would be “fashionable,” “wealthy,” and “trend-driven,” they also point out that “there are also tons of students who don’t fit that description.” Indeed there are upstate, out-of-state, and international students in addition to an abundance from Long Island and New Jersey. While the student body includes “a large frat/sorority presence,” there’s also a fair share of “neo-hippies.” Although SU’s student population appears homogenous to some, other students say "[This] seems to be proven wrong on many occasions. For example, the guy living next to me is from St. Thomas. I have friends from all over the world…All religions, sexual orientations, and ethnic groups are strongly represented.</p>

<p>Campus Life:
Students tell us that “the social life at Syracuse is the epitome of the great American college experience. Local bars, frats, and house parties are all popular. Partying takes place from Thursday through Sunday, and close friendships are easily cultivated during the recovery period in between.” However, it’s important to note that “the school is great about providing other activities” as well. “You don’t need to drink to find something fun to do at night or on weekends.” “People climb trees on the quad, go rock climbing on the weekends, [and] take ballet classes. We’re notorious for our frat parties, but, at the same time, the library is packed every Saturday night.” “The student union also provides free movies on weekends, and there are loads of speakers, concerts, and cultural events throughout the week.” Of course, SU sports “are huge”-“Syracuse Basketball is going to win the national championship!” Students are mixed on the city of Syracuse. Some tell us “It’s pretty much dead” and “The weather sucks,” while others aver that “upstate New York is a great location with lots of outdoor activities, unless you hate sub-Arctic climates.”</p>

<p>lol @ the second post.</p>

<p>please go to Colgate; enough jerks at Newhouse/Syracuse already…</p>

<p>These colleges are so diametrically opposed, you shouldn’t apply ED to either. The ONLY thing that they have in common is a New York zip code.</p>

<p>OTOH, 'Gate is much more selective than 'Cuse, so if you are gonna play the ED card for the admissions boost, use it for the smaller college.</p>

<p>^^bb: for Newhouse though?</p>

<p>rodney:</p>

<p>I will admit I know almost nothing about COM schools, but their selectivity tends to be in the fact of pure numbers, not necessarily highly qualified numbers. COM schools aren’t considered as “rigorous” as a liberal arts curriculum, at least by academics, and they tend to attract such students…</p>

<p>^^ not the case with Newhouse…or Annenberg at USC for that matter (I mention that because it’s more in your “neck of the woods”)…</p>

<p>extremely competitive programs which do not reflect/mirror the admissions for the rest of their schools (although Annenberg is much closer to USC than Newhouse is to Syracuse)</p>

<p>"please go to Colgate; enough jerks at Newhouse/Syracuse already… "</p>

<p>Rodney, I don’t know why you posted this but you have no f’ing clue what you’re talking about. Every fine institution has their fair share of jerks and Colgate is among them also. So for you to reccomend a school based on the personality of the students is pretty absurd. At schools like Cuse, there is an eclectic mix of students from all over.</p>

<p>House: the op’s 2nd post has been deleted by the moderators; if you would have read that, you would have said the same thing…this was not a reflection of the kids at Newhouse; it was a reflection of the OP’s attitude (which has since turned around as evidenced by his apology in post #5…)</p>

<p>So sorry that you took this as a reflection on SU; as you know, my daughter is at Newhouse and is having an excellent experience…</p>