Early entry for my son...good/bad idea?

<p>I am the proud father of a 15 yr old sophomore.
I am considering trying to get him admitted into college early. Either in the fall or following his junior year of High School. I would like some input from any of you that might have something to offer.</p>

<p>First let me tell you why I am considering this. My son is incredibly smart. On his pre-ACT (I forget the exact term) and in all categories he scored in the 98% or above. he took the SAT and scored a 2128. In class his lowest semester grade so far has been a 94%. He is president of his class and he lettered in varsity track his freshman year.</p>

<p>That being said, my son lives in a small town (less than 1,400 people) in Nebraska. There are no AP classes for him to take. In fact prior to this year the highest math he could take was pre calculus. This year they added a calculus class, so he is taking geometry AND Algebra 2 right now so that he can max himself out in math. No AP in science, no AP in English...there is very little academically he can do to improve himself much in school.</p>

<p>His current goals are to go to school for engineering, specifically to study robotics, and to eventually become a college professor at a research institution.</p>

<p>I know that socially there are some drawbacks to leaving and going to college early...missing prom's etc. Aside from that...I dont know, I dont see a lot of downside. I am just as concerned that he will continue to be bored to death and not have opportunities to stretch himself as I am that he will struggle socially in college. I really had not thought about this seriously until we got his SAT scores back, and I realized just how far advanced he is.</p>

<p>I know I will get all kinds of opinions. When I ask him, his response is "I would go to college tomorrow if I could." Thanks in advance.</p>

<p>First of all, 2128 isn’t even a possible SAT score. It’s scored in increments of ten. </p>

<p>If you are telling the truth, however, I don’t think it’s a good idea for him to go straight to college now. Not because of the social thing (which is already bad), but because he’ll get into a better school if he sticks it out. </p>

<p>I would recommend setting up a meeting with his guidance counselor to develop a plan. If you don’t live close enough to a community college or other university to enroll, consider online AP classes. Florida virtual school (you don’t have to live in FL to use it) offers a bunch. So does CTY, and I’m sure there are others as well. </p>

<p>To me he sounds like a smart student, but not one who needs to leave high school now. He could take classes like AP Biology, AP Calculus, etc. through online schools which I think would be much more beneficial. </p>

<p>That said, if you do decide to enroll him early, look into schools designed for that purpose. Bard College at Simon’s Rock comes to mind, but I’m sure there are others as well. </p>

<p>Perhaps a compromise would be best. He could take some online AP classes next year and then apply for early admission after his junior year. There are schools that offer early admission after junior year for students who have exhausted their school’s curriculum (UChicago, Harvey Mudd, etc.)</p>

<p>Finally, if you have the money you could have him apply to a competitive boarding school. Most of those deadlines are coming up fast, however (like January 15) so you would have to throw all effort into getting those apps done. He could then have two years of challenging high school curriculum. I’m not sure if this would be possible at such a late date though. Maybe check it out?</p>

<p>Finally, consider summer enrichment programs, adding ECs he is interested in, etc. just so he isn’t bored and can enjoy the last two years of childhood :)</p>

<p>Just some ideas. Hope I helped.</p>

<p>Going from no APs to college is a huge leap. Perhaps the lack of APs is what has his average up so high. Many kids have straight As sophomore year, even taking honors classes and maybe some APs. So having straight As as a sophomore with mostly regular classes is not at all uncommon. I’m not saying this to try and disprove that your son is very intelligent. But just as a possibility to consider and to add some perspective.</p>

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The way this comment in particular, as well as the post as a whole, was phrased, I don’t think he is ready for college. If his father is trying to “get him admitted into college early,” he probably does not have the maturity, independence and drive to be starting college at such a young age. It is quite a big step to be taking, and it sounds like you may be pushing for it more than he is.</p>

<p>I would suggest starting him on some online AP or fairly easy college courses, or maybe some classes at a local community college.</p>

<p>Your right about the SAT score. It should have been 2120. My fingers often dont work as fast as the brain. The boarding schools are not an option financially…but I bet some might have scholarship opportunities…I didnt think of that before.</p>

<p>I had not thought about online AP classes either…but then he would almost have to take 2 full course loads wouldnt he? I mean if he is say taking an online AP English and AP Physics…that is great for him, but wont his actual high school still make him take English and physics at the school? If so I think that would be the worst solution, because then he is still in HS and not able to enjoy it because he is doing twice the work.</p>

<p>I know the colleges around here have programs where HS students can take classes for double credit, but he is over an hour away from any of those.</p>

<p>You said the main reason you would not be for it is that he would get into better schools if he sticks it out 2 more years. Why do you say that? Are ‘good’ schools not interested in younger students? </p>

<p>His first choice school is Carnegie Mellon. Mainly because he is interested in engineering and robotics, and that is an area Carnegie Mellon is tops in.</p>

<p>Thanks, and yes…you were helpful even if I am not sure I agree 100% on all your points.</p>

<p>It is not a matter of me pushing him or not. This is something that literally came up as a point of discussion today. He got his test results and showed them to me yesterday. He lives with his mom, not me, and so part of it is dealing with his mom as much as anything.</p>

<p>He showed me his results and I was proud. I know straight A’s as a sophomore is not that big an accomplishment…especially since there are no AP classes etc. It was that combined with his test results that got me thinking if his current school and track is enough. I asked him what he thought, and his response was that if he could he would go to college immediately. I didnt even know if it is a realistic possibility and that is what drwe me to this site to post.</p>

<p>I am also searching similar posts to mine from other people…but thank you for the input.</p>

<p>A 2120 is pretty good for his age. But his age, lack of rigorous course-load, and score (it’s good but not superb), would probably prevent him from getting accepted to CM and similarly ranked schools. </p>

<p>2120 is within’s CMU’s mid 50% score range, but coupled with the other factors, it’s going to be difficult. The one plus you have is geography. Coming from Nebraska could help a bit.</p>

<p>My daughter attended an early college high school at the local Community College beginning her Junior year. She has been doing much better and enjoying her classes much more than when she attended a traditional High School. She has always been more mature than many of her class mates and was tired of the high school drama. She still is in Debate at her high school and will go to prom, so still has some of the high school activities. She will get an Associates degree at the same time she gets her diploma. She is applying for colleges as a freshman and has already been accepted at 4 colleges which have Early Action. For her getting her high school diploma at the Community College was the right choice.</p>

<p>Born2dance
That is good information to know. I dont remember what the % ranking was for his score…but its high. I never took an SAT I only had the ACT, and I thought 2120 would pretty much get him in anywhere…lol. Shows you I am still an over zealous dad.</p>

<p>Let me ask you another couple questions if you dont mind. Lets say that he stays where he is, and we dont have any advanced courses for him. How will that affect his getting into a CMU? In other words, lets assume his score goes up some in the next 2 years…but his course load in HS is still not demanding because of his school. As long as he continues to have high grades, how detrimental is that to him? </p>

<p>Also you mentioned that coming from Nebraska would help him. Why would that matter? I don’t understand that.</p>

<p>There is an option of having him move in with me, and open enroll into a much larger and more challenging school in Omaha…but that comes with an added problem of getting that past his mom. I dont know if that is worth the fight…lol.</p>

<p>Hey!</p>

<p>It depends on the kid, if he can do it, do it. But, as everyone else said, take some AP classes over the summer to see if he likes it. If over the summer he decides he doesn’t like it, then he can continue high school. You wouldn’t want to enroll and then waste all your money. </p>

<p>Please don’t take this personally, but I don’t really see anything that makes your son incredibly smart. We have a 7th grader doing pre-calc and I myself took the SAT in 8th grade and scored higher. </p>

<p>But if he is hard working, he can do fine.</p>

<p>You are evaluated in the context of your high school. Guidance counselors send out a summary of the school to every college, telling them about the courses offered, etc. So if there are no APs offered, he will in no way be penalized for that. However, seeking them out on his own could only further serve to up his chances. But without it, if he is still taking the most rigorous options his school allows, then that is all that is needed.</p>

<p>As for the geography part, some geographic areas (usually rural) can be a hook because not as many kids apply to the East Coast schools from there. It is easier to shine and stand out from the Midwest than from the coasts.</p>

<p>Lots of kids score highly on the sat. Obviously he has a great score, but many applicants to top universities have scores in the 2300+ range. </p>

<p>What I mean by him getting into better schools if he waits is that many colleges would rather see a kid show leadership, get involved in extra curriculars, etc. than rush straight to college. If he’s bored maybe he could talk to a teacher about starting a FIRST Robotics team since that’s what he’s interested in. Or he could start a Physics Olympiad team, etc. These are the sort of things that get kids into top colleges. If he applies to, say, CMU now without the added experience his application will not be as strong. </p>

<p>Carnegie Mellon is very highly ranked and I would suggest that you look into their AP/EA program. It is a rigorous summer program during which you take CMU classes with CMU students. I think there is some kind of early admission opportunity afterward as well for those who are interested, and i know it is known to help greatly with admission to CMU. </p>

<p>One more note is that his school is likely not very difficult. It’s all relative. At my competitive high school in California kids rarely, if ever, get A’s in classes. They are usually A-'s. If he goes to a less competitive school with easier classes that might contribute to such high grades. In reality he is probably very similiar to other advanced students without the country. </p>

<p>I said that you should meet with his counselor to discuss the possibility of online AP classes to replace his school classes (of you’re far away maybe you could call?). It would be a sort of partial homeschool. He could take his “normal level” subjects at school and then higher level online. For example, say he takes Precalc, English, history, and a foreign language at school. He could then get out early and take around 3 AP science/other interesting classes, like AP Physics, AP Biology, and perhaps an advanced robotics class somewhere. If his counselor is not willing or able to work out this type of schedule, I would recommend that he “self study” a few AP tests in addition to his course work (if he’s taking regular physics at school, he could self study the AP physics B course without enrolling in an online course and then take the AP exam wherever it is offered). If he can’t work out any sort of advanced schedule at all, it shouldnt hurt his application too much, as applicants are evaluated in the context of their situation. That said, if he has relatively easy courses, he should be using his time to get involved in meaningful extra curriculars to show interest in the subjects he was unable to take at a higher level. I also think it is important to utilize his next two summers (look into AP/EA at CMU and browse the Summer Program forum for more options. Maybe he could even contact professors in Omaha-im sure there’s some colleges there- and see if he could intern in a lab there for the summer and live with you just for the summer) </p>

<p>The reason that being from Nebraska will help is that colleges look for diversity, and there are fewer applicants from Nebraska and much of the mid west than from New England and California. </p>

<p>I dont think that moving to Omaha would necessarily aid his chance at admission. Like I said, applicants are evaluated in the context of their situation so he shouldn’t be penalized for lack of available coursework. It would simply be an added bonus if he were to go above and beyond what is available, as that shows initiative and intelligence. </p>

<p>I don’t think early admission to college is the answer to this problem, but I do think you’re right to get involved so his education can be tweaked to better fit his needs. I commend you for being proactive about it!</p>

<p>Smart students like your son take online classes and participate in academic competitions. Following are some common resource sites:</p>

<p>[Education</a> Program for Gifted Youth](<a href=“http://epgy.stanford.edu/]Education”>http://epgy.stanford.edu/)</p>

<p>[Free</a> Online Course Materials | MIT OpenCourseWare](<a href=“http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm]Free”>MIT OpenCourseWare | Free Online Course Materials)</p>

<p>[Art</a> of Problem Solving (AoPS)](<a href=“http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/]Art”>http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/)</p>

<p>[MAA</a> American Mathematics Competitions - AMC](<a href=“American Mathematics Competitions | Mathematical Association of America”>American Mathematics Competitions | Mathematical Association of America)</p>

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<p>Agreed. <a href=“http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/parenting.jpg[/url]”>http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/parenting.jpg&lt;/a&gt; ;)</p>

<p>You can register (email Rachelle Jensen - <a href="mailto:rjensen@maa.org">rjensen@maa.org</a>) and take him to University of Nebraska at Lincoln so that he can participate in the AMC 10/12 this coming February. It’s free.</p>

<p>[Additional</a> Locations for the AMC 10B/12B at Higher Education Sites](<a href=“American Mathematics Competitions | Mathematical Association of America”>American Mathematics Competitions | Mathematical Association of America)</p>

<p>While it is true that your son’s transcript will be evaluated in the context of what his HS offers, he should consider self studying for APs to ensure that he really is prepared for college should he get into a top school like CM. The vast majority of his classmates at a top school will have successfully completed many AP and/or IB classes in HS. And for my kids, the AP classes were by far the most interesting and fun classes that they had in HS.</p>

<p>Is it possible for your son to travel to a nearby college to take higher level classes. I know many student do that, you should ask the guidance counselor if this is possible.</p>

<p>I’m agreeing with those that say take online courses if the community college or college is too far away. Students in college don’t really want to socialize with a student that jumped into college a year or so early. Your S might do fine on the academics, but socially he would be excluded from a lot of the bonding opportunities. My neighbor’s D went to Tufts at 16 or 17 (one year early) and when I saw her after she finally graduated, I asked her what was it like being in college at 16/17. She said she would not recommend it. She was very naive and lonely her first year; her roommate didn’t appreciate having a much younger person to live with her freshman year, she was not socially ready for the college social scene, and while she did fine in classes, she said it was because she had no social life so the only thing she focused on was school.</p>

<p>There is no prize for going into engineering level classes one year early. As an employer of engineers, I’m not even sure I would want to hire a student that came out of college one year earlier … there is a maturity in boys that just takes time, even if they are smart.</p>

<p>Your son is President of his high school class … what a great opportunity to develop leadership skills and do something purposeful with his peers. While the proms and other high school events may see silly to a really smart kid, they are also an opportunity to develop in other ways … socially, guy/girl stuff, enjoying his peers, dressing up, etc. If he is interested in engineering so young, chances are he also exhibits other tendencies of engineers which is to be more introverted and avoiding social opportunities. Again, as an employer, I have to socialize with engineers in lots of companies and the awkward ones end of with narrower job scopes and less bigger time opportunities over time. (I am generalizing here, but I have a strong belief that engineers need to sell their ideas, network with other engineers, and be out there … they don’t just design robots in a shell by themselves.)</p>

<p>Net … find a way to challenge him academically, keep him in HS and let him fully develop. Chances are he will be a more interesting college applicant and will get into a more selective school in the end, or if finances are an issue, he can get more merit aid from the state flagship or other slightly less selective school.</p>

<p>Have you considered a boarding high school, the good ones look and feel like college. This would give him the opportunity to finish out high school taking challenging courses, mature and also accomplish the ECs top colleges want to see.</p>

<p>Admissions at the top boarding schools is similar to that at top colleges including the availability of financial aid if the family has need. These schools lookfor diversity so being from Nebraska is a plus.</p>

<p>There are wonderful, nurturing boarding high schools with college like facilities and classes. Read up on Exeter, St. Paul’s, Andover, Groton, Lawrenceville, Peddie, Choate, Thatcher, Cate for starters.</p>

<p>IMO a much better way to get what he needs than starting college without comprehensive preparation.</p>

<p>You need to start with his school district. What do they offer? My family is in rural Iowa, and one school offered dual enrollment with the community college (located across the parking lot) and another offered dual enrollment for students who would drive to the CC campus in the next town as well as an extensive list of online AP courses that were coordinated by the state department of education. Nebraska surely must have something like that.</p>

<p>If the high school offers nothing at all at present, then the next places to investigate would be the community colleges closest to where your son lives, and the various public universities in Nebraska. Here is something that could work: [Online</a> High School, Home School Program, U. Of Nebraska: Home](<a href=“http://highschool.unl.edu/]Online”>http://highschool.unl.edu/)</p>

<p>Good luck with everything!</p>

<p>One thing about CMU - they seem to be open about accepting younger students. DS had just turned 17 when he joined and he knew younger students. While he didn’t do any robotics he loved the rest of the comp sci & engg that he took.</p>