ED and EA

<p>ok, so does it even matter for internationals to apply ED or EA to top schools?</p>

<p>I am really short on time and I wrote the SAT yesterday and I know I can do better, so I need another crack at it. Initially, I planned on writing in June and then again in October. </p>

<p>However, now I realize I still need to take subject tests which are on the same dates as SAT I test days! I never knew that they were on the same day and my initial plan was to take the SAT I and SAT IIs in october (since i thought they were on diff. days).</p>

<p>So, basically, my problem is if I want to apply ED or EA, I am virtually forced to write the subject tests in June and write the SAT in October (more time to prep to get the high school I want). So, I don't know what I should do...</p>

<p>Does ED/EA matter? Will it help my chances a lot? How long does it take to prep for Bio and Math II subject tests if all I have taken is gr.11 Functions in math and gr.11 bio (regular curriculum). I want to score 770+ in both.</p>

<p>Please help me out...I only have 2 days or something before I need to register for the June SAT I or SAT IIs</p>

<p>In my opinion, ED usually helps because it’s binding and it shows the school that you really want to go there. However, you should apply for ED if you really really want to go to that school, or if you feel your chance of getting into better schools are impossible. EA, on the other hand, I feel is probably slightly better than RD, but would not help significantly.</p>

<p>Now onto the SATs. From what you’ve said, it seems that beside the courses you took, you have not started preparing on your own. Unfortunately, because of the way the Canadian curriculum is structured, bio is taught very late, unlike the US, which have some freshmen even taking AP bio. So unless you’ve already started preparing for bio on your own, I don’t think 1 month is enough to hit 770+ (if you have ample time to study, though, which is probably highly unlikely at this point, it’s possible). For math II, I think that if you’re pretty good at the subject, 1 month of studying some prep books plus practice could make that 770+ possible, as the curve is pretty good (I think you can get 5 wrong and still get 800). There might be a few calculus (maxima minima) or conic section questions though, but that shouldn’t be your main concern.</p>

<p>Now the thing is, I think you can still sign up for the November test date if you apply early and rush your test scores to the university, so you might want to consider doing the october and november tests because I don’t think 1 month is enough preparation for either SAT I if you’re not satisfied with your score or SATII if you’re just starting to prepare.</p>

<p>so, none of the Ivys have EA except Yale, which is Single choice early action. So, does EA even help one’s chances out at all? What is helpful about EA besides the fact that you get to know your decision earlier? </p>

<p>Because, ED is only for 1 school. So, as a result, I don’t think it’s worth stressing and cramming SATs in when I have limited time ONLY to be able to give myself a better shot at ONE school. What do you guys/girls think?</p>

<p>Also, EA also has the same Nov. 1st deadline as well. So, what are the advantages of EA. Please let me know because I’m trying to make a decision really soon (1 day or 2 max.).</p>

<p>which schools are you even looking at for ED? cause if you want them BADLY, then it helps to send it in. but i think the main benefit is knowing where youre going that much earlier. i dont know how much they will add to your admissions just cause it was prepared 3 months earlier than usual</p>

<p>and for yale SCEA, its kind of a two tiered thing… so, if you get deferred from that pool, you go to the RD pool… so it gives you a second chance of sorts</p>

<p>so, is ED even worth it? kelloggs, nirvanatear, alam1, etc…is ED worth it and did you guys consider it? </p>

<p>How about EA? Does EA increase ones chances at all? Like, are you competing against fewer people…I think you do. Also, is it easier to get in, or just as hard? Did any of you think/apply ED?</p>

<p>What do you think I should do? I can write the June SAT…hope for 800M, hope to get CR to low 700s…and I may be close to 800W from this SAT…so superscored, I’d say I’m near 2300…then I can prep for the 2 subject tests and take them in OCT. </p>

<p>If I do poorly in the June SAT, I can just take the long way and rewrite in October, then take the November SAT IIs. Then apply near the end of November.</p>

<p>Is that fine, is the end of November kinda late for Ivys? Do they care when you apply? Do they review applicants at the same time or as they come in?</p>

<p>i dont think ED is worth it unless you had the time beforehand to prepare. if you feel that you will have to cram in everything in a month and you wont be ready, then ED isnt worth it.</p>

<p>and november isnt late for ivys at all. you can apply anytime before december 31 for RD or before nov 1 for EA or ED… it all comes out in the wash</p>

<p>but, does earlier = more chance of getting in at Ivys? Forget ED and EA for now, just RD.</p>

<p>ED/EA (especially ED) is good if you have a clear top choice of school. I applied ED to Penn, and by mid-December I knew where I was going, and I didn’t have to bother with submitting applications to other schools as back-up. Because ED is binding, I would only apply if you’re absolutely certain you want to go to that school. </p>

<p>You definitely can do your testing in fall of grade 12, but it is tight, I wrote the SATI for the first time in October, and SATII in November (and submitted my ED application before I got the November scores back) That was pretty tight/stressful, and I wouldn’t necessarily recommend that, but it is doable. If you’re applying RD, then it should be fine, because you also have the December test date for a re-do. Schools will generally not look at applications at all until after the application deadline (some, like state schools, have rolling admission, in which case it is beneficial to apply early) but the majority that I can think of wait until after the deadline, and there’s no real benefit to applying early other than getting it off your list of things to do, and allowing for the off chance that something gets lost in the mail, etc.</p>

<p>^wow, thank you so much for clearing all that up</p>

<p>Could you explain something though? You said you took the SAT IIs in November and then rushed them to Penn for ED…but isn’t the ED deadline November 1st? Don’t you ALREADY need to have everything submitted by that date? I’m confused now. So, what exactly do I need to submit by that date? Because then ED is a possibility yet again if I take the November SAT IIs…but before I read your post, I didn;t think that was even an option.</p>

<p>Also, would you know/link me to a site that lets me know which of the following schools look at applications AFTER the deadline and which look at them before?</p>

<p>-All the Ivys
-Rice
-Emory
-Stanford
-UTexas (wait, they’re rolling, nevermind)</p>

<p>I dont know the links, but I can say the deadlines for submitting an application is November 1… however, the deadline for TAKING the required tests is also November 1… So long as you take all required tests on or before Nov. 1, you can submit them ED or EA</p>

<p>You would have to check the admissions website of each of the schools you’re interested in, but many (most?) will let you submit November scores even if you’re applying ED/EA and the deadline before the actual Nove test date. Same goes for trying to get January scores to count for RD admissions; policies vary from school to school.</p>

<p>^so, I should just contact the schools that I would contemplate applying ED to and the schools that I will apply EA to about their policies?</p>

<p>And, by the way CDN-dancer, weren’t you nervous about your scores? Since you took the SAT I and SAT IIs so late? Was it very stressful?</p>

<p>And could you PM me or stats or let me know if you posted them somewhere on CC? I’m very curious to know if I have a shot at getting into an Ivy ED by comparing ‘target’ stats that I have for myself with ones from a successful ED applicant.</p>

<p>Thanks everyone. I will contact the schools and find out their policies. I feel much less stress now!</p>

<p>Viggy, unless a school is rolling admissions, your chances will NOT increase if you send in your apps early or decrease if you send it in before the deadline. There is only one exception. Lets say the deadline is 12 tonight for Emory. If you submit your apps at 11:56 they will get the impression that you are using them as a “last resort” or a “throw-in” application… in which case you are likely to get rejected or, if you have amazing stats, waitlisted. I have heard of excellent students being waitlisted from schools because they sent in their application like one minute before the deadline. The adcoms think you are just applying for the hell of it and not because you are genuinely interested. Just submit your apps 1 week before the deadline and you’ll be fine. </p>

<p>You guys are misunderstanding ED… Does ED give a statistical advantage of gaining admission? Almost always yes. BUT, you should ONLY apply ED if a school is your clear first choice. If you are accepted ED to lets say Rice… you MUST withdraw all your other apps and commit to Rice. So make sure your ED school is your top choice. Also Viggy, Yale has SCEA (Single Choice Early Action) meaning that if you apply early there, you CANNOT apply early action OR early decision to any other place. However, if you are admitted, it is not binding (you don’t necessarily have to go). Last time I checked the Yale SCEA acceptance rate was around 11% whereas the Regular Decision acceptance rate was around 6-7%… so it does help. </p>

<p>However (and this is me giving you what I consider very good knowledge that very few people seem to know), there are certain schools that are top 20 or 30 or so where you can apply Early Action(not binding… so you don’t necessarily have to attend) and it will drastically increase your chances… One example is Notre Dame(ranked 20th)… I took advantage of this and applied EA and got in. Their regular decision acceptance eate is around 25% but their Early Action acceptance rate is around 50%… so, in this school’s case, sending in your apps before the EA deadline doubles your chances of getting in… and the other benefit is that you don’t necessarily have to attend because its only EA (once again, not binding). There are other examples of such schools such as U. Chicago (again, I took advantage of the EA and got in… I don’t think I could’ve gotten in Regular Decision) U Chicago’s EA acceptance rate this year was around 30% and Regular Decison acceptance rate was around 18% I think. There’s also another top 25 LAC that has BOTH ED and EA. Its Regular Decision acceptance rate is like 25%, EA is like 45% and ED is also like 45 %… so this is a situation where you can apply EA instead of ED and still have the same chance of getting in (plus, you’re not bound to attend). This may be all random information that maybe unhelpful to you… but my point is a general one… research your schools… you’ll pick up on helpful hints that will inevitably increase your chances of getting in. On a similar note, one valuable info is the CDS (Common Data Set) that almost all schools publish and it includes a lot of info about the school, including what they value in an application. For example, Emory’s CDS said Demonstrated Interest (how much I show interest in the school) is “extremely important” while most state schools say that Demonstrated Interest is “Not Considered”. Therefore, I visited Emory but I did NOT visit the schools which said that they don’t care about demonstrated interest. It is better to visit all schools but, due to a shortage in time, I had to do this in order to maximize results.</p>

<p>The trick to applying to the US and maximizing your chances of getting in is to know these little details and, on top of that, what the school is looking for. Stats are important,but sometimes, these small little details are the deciding factor. There is a term for this: I think its called “Institutional Priority” which means that, regardless of how perfect your stats are, if you are not the type of cantidate a school is looking for, you’ll get rejected. For some schools, this priority may be Math geniuses(so if you excel in English, then you are not a priority). For other schools, its atheletes. For certain schools, its even international students. For example, I emailed Notre Dame and they told me that they were trying to increase their international student population. I was international (you are too), applied EA (you can if you want) and had pretty good grades and scores (I presume you will). In a way, I was the “perfect cantidate” even though my stats were not perfect. Just so you know, other schools that are trying to increase their international student population are Vanderbilt and a bunch of top LACs like Grinnell (I talked to a counselor who said “We only get 20 Canadian applicants a year… we want more to apply”). Anyways, I think I’m going a bit off-topic but I found all this info helpful and maybe you will too.</p>

<p>All in all, apply ED if one college is your first choice but its better not to look at ED as a way of “increasing chances”… However, I also know of two or three top schools where applying ED also doubles your chances of getting in… but whats the point of getting in there if you really don’t want to go. Remember, ED is binding and you must attend so if you apply ED for the sake of increasing your chances but you really don’t want to go there, then it’ll be an unfortunate situation. However, I can tell you Viggy that Emory and Rice have Early Decision. Stanford, similar to Yale, has Single-Choice Early Action I believe.</p>

<p>^ Thank you so much alam, that was really detailed and one the most helpful posts I’ve read . You said Notre Dame, Vanderbilt and some LACs were looking to expand their international population, what do you know about Cornell, Dartmouth, UChicago and Carnegie Mellon? thanks alot!</p>

<p>wow! thanks alam1…i am sending you a PM too.</p>

<p>yea, ED is only for a school that I KNOW i would want to go. That’s why I haven’t even a clue if I will apply ED or not…EA is what I’m primarily concerned with. I definately want to finish all these SATs early now and get EA applications out next year.</p>

<p>Definitely explore the websites of the schools you are interested in, and if you have the chance (i.e. this summer) try and get down to the campuses and visit/tour. One, you’ll know what their policies are regarding admissions (e.g. deadlines, requirements, etc.) and two, you’ll get a sense of whether the school offers the academics and community that you are looking for. The reason I ended up applying to Penn was because the moment I stepped on campus, it just felt right (don’t know how to describe it, but just one of those gut feelings) and I discovered that the academics and the programs offered were just what I was looking for. </p>

<p>To be honest, I didn’t seriously consider applying to the US until maybe September of grade 12 (hence the late testing) and even then I didn’t think I had a very good chance of getting in, so I sort of just applied and waited to see what would happen, but at the same time was preparing applications for schools like UWO and Queens in Canada. So yes, it was stressful prepping for the SATs on such sort notice and applying without knowing my scores, but I wasn’t fully banking on going to the US, if that makes sense.</p>

<p>^I understand completely, but that’s awesome that you still got into Penn considering how late you started! could you PM me your ‘stats’ please?</p>

<p>Same for me. Yale was something I wanted to attempt, not my life’s goal or anything like that. I didn’t even really think of applying until the end of grade 11. I was realistic in that I probably wasn’t going to get in so I applied to a bunch of Canadian programs as well.</p>

<p>^that’s crazy though…you wrote the SAT I, SAT IIs, essays, prep, etc. just for 1 school! i can’t imagine doing that. but in the end it all worked out!</p>