<p>We should be hearing very soon!</p>
<p>yikesssssss I'm so nervous lols, good luck everyone</p>
<p>deferred, enough said.</p>
<p>Aw sorry to hear that Lauren. Seriously don't lose hope though; I know several people who were deferred and accepted RD. Definitely update admissions with any significant accomplishments.</p>
<p>Thanks for the message! I was pretty upset, but then found another interesting piece of mail that said that I was accepted with Honors to the Univeristy of Mary Washington in Fredericksburg, VA. W&L is still my top choice, but I applied to 17 schools, now I have a lot of deliberating to do for shure! Good Luck to everyone else!</p>
<p>Holy crap, 17 schools is ridiculous. I applied to five and thought that was tough. Good luck!</p>
<p>Mary Washington has got a bunch of pretty good girls sports teams - we play them a lot.</p>
<p>If you get in can you defer the non-refundable deposit until Financial Aid is offered or not. They had an 8 day window of acceptance. A $140k education w/o any help is a huge decision. Thanks.</p>
<p>You should get your fin aid package within a couple of days of your decision, before you have to send in the deposit.</p>
<p>But it shouldn't matter considering that the point of early decision is that you are making a binding committment - so it is quite reasonable for them to expect you to send in a deposit right away.</p>
<p>Thanks. It would seem easy but if you have a full ride to one school and $0 from your choice school...it could be a tricky situation. Perhaps a good choice to have; but, tough nonetheless.</p>
<p>"Thanks. It would seem easy but if you have a full ride to one school and $0 from your choice school...it could be a tricky situation. Perhaps a good choice to have; but, tough nonetheless."</p>
<p>But the point is that this is something that should have been taken into account prior to making the ED commitment to W&L. W&L may not have admitted you had they known that you were not really "committed." If one signs an ED commitment w/o really intending to be committed, I wonder how all that would stand with the Honor Code.</p>
<p>Ah Honor Code...perhaps, I think not. Certainly ethics might be in play here; however, applying to your first choice college (W & L) and not getting a scholarship and realizing one might have to graduate with $140k in loans vs. possibly accepting a full ride to a school that is extremely difficult to get in due to other factors (Annapolis), and having a five year military committment for serving at the pleasure of the Commander-in-Chief is not as simple as it seems. There is a big difference in whether your parents can afford a college, whether you can accept the huge loans vs your parents just get out the checkbook and write a check. If the Washington scholarship were on the table that might make the decision on a more equal plane. I was only looking for Finaid info not a lecture in ethics. Unless you know what's in the bank at home...judge ye not. Some family medical issues have surfaced since the app was submitted that will have a material affect on the affordablility of college and that's why the question was asked.</p>
<p>While all the reasons you gave for going somewhere else are good reasons, they were all present at the time you applied ED. You stated that W&L was your "first choice." However, that does not mean that you were forced to apply ED. You could have applied to W&L RD, as well as all of the other schools you mentioned, and then declined your "first choice" W&L if a better offer came through. The only reason you applied to W&L ED was to gain some sort of perceived advantage, knowing that ED applicants are admitted at a higher rate than are RD applicants.</p>
<p>The Honor Code says that one will not "lie, cheat or steal." When you applied to W&L ED you signed an agreement stating the following:</p>
<p>I understand that Washington and Lee Universitys Early Decision plan is binding and, if admitted, I will withdraw applications from other universities and attend Washington and Lee.</p>
<p>In the spirit of Washington and Lees Honor System, I certify that the answers and information provided in the application are true, accurate and complete and that I have a continuing duty to inform the Office of Admissions of any changes to the information provided. I understand further that any false, misleading or incomplete answers or statements made in this application constitute grounds for rescission or dismissal at the option of the University.</p>
<p>I beleive that a good case can be made that what you propose doing would be "misleading" and would violate the spirit of the Honor Code.</p>
<p>First off, financial aid is always a tricky thing and occassionally it does serve as a valid excuse to get out of an ED agreement (I am speaking in general right now and not of W&L specifically) however you would need to prove that your need is not matched and that there is no way you and your parents can pay what is asked.</p>
<p>Secondly, please - it is the Honor SYSTEM, it is NOT codified.</p>
<p>If the advantage was perceived...what advantage was that. The fact is that W & L is the desired place. Having scholarships and financial aid was hopefully the ability to get on the path. And the fact that a family member just learnt that the "perceived" illness that they were hospitalized for in December was just confirmed yesterday, the same day notification was received of being accepted to W & L. Life should be so simply as to be able to afford a college without any regard to other family members and the impact on the entire family. </p>
<p>Since my son signed the agreement perhaps he will still attend. I didn't sign it and was asking the question. It's easy to stand in judgement when you either have a full ride (Washington Honor Scholar) or your family has the ability to pay.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, congratulations to your son, I wish that I had recieved that acceptance too!</p>
<p>Thanks for your kindness...hopefully, it will be paid back by an acceptance letter real soon. W & L is certainly a great school but there are many others that will be the right fit.</p>
<p>MVLJOG440 - From what you have posted - your son has very recently been accepted to W&L ED - you have not received any financial aid offer as of yet - you are considering other options (Annopolis and others) - your son has ? is a Washington Honor Scholarship finalist - not sure if I understood you on that - you have had a recent change of circumstances - a medical situation within your family - and have financial concerns - Is this close??</p>
<p>W&L ED acceptance is a binding contract - and they do not take their ED acceptances lightly. Your son made a decision to apply ED - no matter what his reasons were at the time - which does somewhat increases chances of acceptance - not with standing the financial aspects of that decision. Part of that contract explained to him his responsibilities and the expectations of W&L - and to you as well. Your son has agreed to attend W&L and to withdraw all other applications - irregardless of the financial offerings he may receive - and/or from where they may come from.</p>
<p>The Washington Honor Scholarship - if he was invited as a finalist - does in no way guarantee that the finalists will receive a 'full ride' - the awards range anywhere from ~$2000 to partial - to full tuition - to full ride - and anywhere in between - it can also be a $0 outcome as well.</p>
<p>The one piece of advice that I will give you - if circumstances have changed - from the original financial info provided to the school - Please notify the Financial Aid Office immediately if estimated income provided on the Profile will vary significantly from actual income so that the financial aid award can be adjusted. Sometimes there actually are extenuating circumstances that can effect ones ability to alter/break a contract such as ED.</p>
<p>I certainly hope that you are able to work thru this situation and that it will have a positive outcome for all involved. Renegging on a binding ED can possibly effect circumstances at other institutions - not to say that it can't be done under certain circumstances tho. At times it can be a daunting task to have to withdraw effectively - but, there are at times legitimate reasons to do so honorably.</p>
<p>We found W&L very helpful when we were working thru some very dificult and unexpected issues when our son was a student there. Hopefully you will experience understanding and support thru this. You and your son are going to have to work thru this - and hopefully be able to achieve the outcome that will work for all involved.</p>
<p><strong><em>Ah Honor Code...perhaps, I think not. Certainly ethics might be in play here</em></strong></p>
<p>My apologies here but I have to respond to this - because I do think ''SO'' - part of an honor system includes ethics and yes - integrity as well. MVLJOG - where you/your son have been seriously considering other options - and even considering a reneg on an ED acceptance - I would certainly hope that you/your son - after making a 'committment' -would be able to take a good hard look at the honor code/system and the ramifications that could be presented to you/your son in the future - especially if it encompasses one of the 'acadamies'.</p>
<p>I do understand that at times unforeseen circumstances force us to make decisions that are difficult - tho it does sound as tho you/your son may have been considering your other alternatives for a while now - you/your son do have a responsibility in how the cards have fallen. The one positive that I can see in all this is the opportunity for another deferred student receiving that acceptance - in your son's place.</p>
<p>Thanks for your input. My son hasn't altered his first choice and preference of schools (W & L). He did apply to a service academy and that is a long and tedious admissions process which one never knows if they'll get an appointment. He started that process last year and completed it in December. What if he didn't get into W &L, he certainly would want to have other options. W & L was his only ED school so he didn't violate those principles and as of today he has stated he wouldn't want to go to W & L.</p>
<p>I haven't discussed any of this with him, yet...as he is at the end of a sports season and doesn't need another distraction for a few days...he spent 45 hrs involved with the sport just last week so time is at a premium. I initated the original question on my own and appreciate the answers. It is certainly an interesting ethics question which my family and I will certainly consider and I will indeed talk to W & L. Integrity lasts a lifetime. My dilemma is that I also made a committment to my wife..."in sickness and in health" and I don't know if I can "honestly" honor both committments financially. Hopefully, I'll be able to do both. Thanks again for your insight.</p>