<p>I think that statistics are relevant only to a point. I think it really comes down to desire....if an applicant wants the school, really wants it, ( and of course is willing to commit financially ), ED is still the way to go. Why not ? - - even a few % points advantage can make the difference to an applicant. Ironically, if an applicant applied ED and is accepted, he / she will never know if they could have been admitted via RD also. And conversely, if an applicant applies RD and is rejected, there is no way to know if applying via ED would have made the difference. As Elvis sang " you gotta follow that dream...whereever that dream may lead.." Best of luck to all.</p>
<p>MBJ. nice post!</p>
<p>let's all hope that it really isn't sub 15% acceptance...for ED 2</p>
<p>Hey guys,
sorry to join in on the conversation late. I am applying ED II to Emory as well and are just as anxious as you. I can't imagine that 1) Emory accepts a significantly lower percentage of EDII students compared to EDI students and 2) if they actually accepted 8% of EDII students last year just because they accepted too many EDI students, they surely won't make that mistake again. Good luck to everyone!
-Jordan</p>
<p>hello.
my s applied ED2, as well.
should we start a thread for stats of those who are waiting to hear?</p>
I think I have solved this: Okay, so Emory provides their ED stats as a combined rate of ~35% right? Meaning they average ED and ED II. The reason for an ~8% ED II rate is to compensate for their ED I rate. They want to hide their ED I rate by having such a low ED II rate. Therefore their ED I rate is probably ~60%.
And they aren’t “punishing” ED II applicants, they are just deferring them all to RD. And they use the information that they applied ED II thinking that they will yield their admission if they do, in fact, accept them RD. those numbers are correct.
I did the math behind this about a year ago… If you want to look.
These numbers are 7-8 years old.
@aluminum_boat Yes, that would be good.
The main point seems to be that ED II is just a way for schools with the option to pump their ED admission rate (or deflate is a better term) and that they do not actually intend to use it as a way to review admission. Rather, they just defer to RD and keep in mind their commitment if at all…
@bernie12 What is your take on the ED II option? Just a way to deflate their admission rate or a legitimate way of applying?
It is legitimate, but it may be that the ED2 applicants are less appealing for whatever reason or too many spots are filled by ED1. Keep in mind that many ED applicants were denied, waitlisted, or deferred from EA or ED1 choices, so it is very possible that, within the holistic admissions scheme, many don’t appear to be a fit. Like if the EA and ED1 school were dramatically different from Emory academically and socially, it simply is not surprising the negative result. Many such students may just be looking to land at “some” top school as opposed to the right school (fit wise) in general and their ED2 application shows it. Perhaps ED2 to a top 25 that appears easier to get into (and I think is ) than the other schools is the knee-jerk reaction of being denied by a school EA or ED1 where they were nicely in the middle-50 or beyond. They instead apply where they are near the 75% or somewhere above the median even if it doesn’t fit well, because Emory is at least good enough to be considered a peer to whatever school they initially were aiming for. Overall theory: ED2 as afterthought and it shows. The chances for those who did so because of money or timing (waiting on scores, very busy, something), but showed that they actually know and care to be at the school because they actually like it and fit…is likely higher.
@bernie12 so according to that, if one applied before the scholar program deadline (11/15) which is before any ED/EA results come out, the chance is higher because it doesn’t seem like the application was a knee-jerk to a rejection…
I don’t know about that. I’m imagining more that the content in the essays and things of that nature are lacking or dull (like they could have written things more relevant to the initial schools they applied to than about things that make them appealing or appear interested in Emory…could have merely been generic college essay).
Some people apply ED2 because they really want their fall grades and/or last set of test scores to be included as it strengthens their application. Many schools ED2 dates are the same as their RD dates so the applications are technically all in one pool, the difference is that Emory will know that if they accept an ED2, the person will attend (which helps protect their yield). Are Emory’s application dates for ED2 and RD the same?
I also would not assume that every ED2 candidate was rejected ED (see above) at a more prestigious school or that ED2 implies Emory is not a fit. A school can still be a fit but not be the favorite. With such low admit rates, lots of kids don’t end up at their first choice but go on to have a great college experience. Half of my freshman classmates at an Emory rival had applied (and would have preferred) an Ivy but I don’t recall many being unhappy about their fate once they arrived on campus. Plus, strong candidates sometimes are rejected ED because their ECs or majors are either more competitive or less wanted at a school on any given year. Some premed majors may fall into this category at Emory. One school may accept a tiny percentage of history majors but Emory, who wants to build their humanities, might accept a much higher percentage. This can mean that someone whose stats fit equally well at either school is disappointed at one but welcomed at another. Hope this helps! I think there is no doubt that ED1 likely gives you the biggest advantage overall. Good luck to everyone!
@chemmchimney : That (what you described) falls within: “timing” and is the pool of applicants that I bet will have more success. Also, not every student was denied, deferred, or whatever to another school, but there is no denying that many were. I still do think it is possible that the many among this pool may have rushed that ED2 application without much thought. Those among them who seriously had Emory as a second choice or were serious enough about it to go forth with that application as ED2 and not others (because you can apply to several places say EA if in an ED round, you only must withdraw if you get a positive result) and tailored the application well will naturally have the best chance. Unfortunately, I do believe that many students actually think for sure that they will be admitted to these schools if they appear perfect on paper stats. wise vs. school (solidly in IQR or in/near 75%) and have a decent laundry list of EC’s. That is despite the admit rate at most of them being quite low. Furthermore, Emory is even more deceptive because its actual admit rate is a lot higher than most of the others. If more care didn’t go into essays to truly account for the character of Emory and what attracts them, it will hurt whether they are in the 75% or not. In addition, many of those scholar applicants are quite appealing as admits at least despite most of them not even applying in an ED round (but I think they roll in about the same time as ED2?). What I have seen have some success among ED2 applicants is selling interests in things like CS, 3-2 option, QSS, and something else. Basically selling an interest to do something that is an emerging area at Emory (QSS and 3-2 interest has seen some growth as well), and those that are kind of undersubscribed like CS. Since students who express interest in these areas also show strength or interest in another discipline such as say a language (many of which Emory does very well) or social science or humanities discipline. So your theory plays out quite well.