<p>Someone mentioned the Co-op possibility at Purdue which is a very good suggestion. That would help not only financially but also to gain work experience at the same time. UMinn suggested above is also a good one as they have one of the lowest oos tuition. The bottom line is, one have to make the decision based on their academic and financial standing. Most students cannot pick any schools they want even if they are academically qualified unless one is really rich and money is not a matter at all. There are many bright kids attending lower tier schools because of financial consideration (for scholarships or a lower cost). Some cannot even attend college at all for the same reason. That is the reality.</p>
<p>What are the schools that daughter/husband are aiming for? They may be admissions reaches with that ACT score and “several” APs, even at full price.</p>
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<p>Three of the four schools do happen to be historically black schools. However, non-black students do attend historically black schools, just like how black students attend schools which are not historically black. People on these forums do not hesitate to recommend schools which are not historically black to black students, so why would it matter the other way around if the OP does not mention anything of this sort as a criterion for selecting a school?</p>
<p>As a point of reference, an EFC of $30,000 could be the result of AGI of $140,000 (all earned income) and non-retirement savings of about $100,000, or AGI of $175,000 and savings of $40,000 (and various assumptions) - - - in that ‘donut hole’ often discussed on CC.</p>
<p>I think co-oping is a great idea. They really promote it at my sons college(Georgia Tech) as a way to reduce the cost for OOS students. However you still have to be realistic. DS13 applied to Purdue and was offered a Presidential $10,000 merit scholarship. However even if he has been offered the Trustees scholarship ($12,000 - $16,000 ) it still wouldn’t have gotten the price down to where OP needs it to be. If you look at Purdue they say the cost for OOS is $41,954 so less $16,000 makes it $25,954 and if OP’s upper limit is $15,000 then her DD would need to come up with almost $11,000 between a co-op and loans. While that may be doable her DD would need to get a co-op the first year. While I wouldn’t rule Purdue out I would look for some other schools that the numbers don’t depend on a co-op. </p>
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“mindfully, the $22,000 COA at OSU includes rm/bd. But not transportation/books/personal expenses. Those are typically closer to $2,000-3,000 per year than $18,000. But it is still a lot of money.”</p>
<p>I stand corrected. $25k a year all in doesn’t sound quite so bad for an engineering degree.</p>
<p>I’m not an engineer, but if money is an issue, I would certainly choose an in-state public over an out-of-state public. I know there are rankings, etc., but I have to imagine that big public schools are more similar than they are different. They are all going to be pretty good. But if you go out of state, you are going to pay a substantial penalty. </p>
<p>“People on these forums do not hesitate to recommend schools which are not historically black to black students, so why would it matter the other way around if the OP does not mention anything of this sort as a criterion for selecting a school?”</p>
<p>The same reason that black families seeking advice on CC generally identify themselves as such, and white families do not. White and black aren’t symmetrical in this country. They never have been. Maybe they will be someday.</p>
<p>I don’t have any problem recommending HBCUs to non-black families, but I do typically identify them as HBCUs up front because the overwhelming majority of non-black families will reject them on that basis. I’m not interested in wasting people’s time. It’s not about principle; it’s about practicality. I would do the same for any school that appeals to a niche market, like Deep Springs or Olin.</p>
<p>I stopped reading after post #78. Another school to add might be North Carolina A & T. I hear they have an amazing engineering program and are more diverse than many would assume as far as students & faculty. Lots of internships and job recruitment. I think they also give huge diversity scholarships. It might be worth looking into. </p>
<p>It’s so true how we never question suggesting a PWI, but are always question HBCUs. </p>
<p>Oh, and she can get a lot of AP and CLEP (and maybe CC) credits. Most publics take a ton of those. Though I would not skip a class that is a prerequisite to something harder.
Still, another way to save money.</p>
<p>BTW, for co-op, UCincy’s co-op program is evidently pretty well-regarded.</p>
<p>Another route is 3-2 at a LAC with Columbia/WashU/Case whatever where you get something like full-tuition at the LAC (and you save up for the last 2 years). Pretty risky and definitely not for everyone, though. Many kids do not complete those programs. Also, dunno if she’ll get full-tuition with her current test score.</p>
<p>If she wants to avoid the in-state schools, UMinny with the Gold National is still the best bet. As someone else said, if you’re realistic, that test score isn’t one that gets you in to an elite school, even if you can pay.</p>
<p>At Tuskegee Asian enrollment is 0%, white 0.1%. That is much more skewed than than are ‘historically white’ unis these days. Even really white places like UW-Madison are over 2% black and about 5% Hispanic.</p>
<p>But sorry ucb, I misspoke. It isn’t that I wouldn’t recommend at all. More in line with Hanna. Recommend with notation. </p>
<p>OP, are you in a city where your D might commute to an inexpensive local 4 yr. university and save the rm/bd for the first 2 years and then transfer elsewhere for last 2 yrs, eg, Cleveland State U. in Cleveland? Or start at a CC which has a transfer arrangement with local universities? Where we live a lot of students do the CC option as the the arrangement to transfer into our local flagship is very well planned and also easier to get admitted than when entering directly from HS. Some community colleges have a great variety of activities, like orchestra, band, theater, intramurals. </p>
<p>I think the OP has ditched. I hope she has not. She’s getting a lot of great advice here</p>
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<p>Practicality suggests that, when operating under very limiting cost constraints like the OP, mentioning any option that is affordable and offers the desired academics (ABET accredited chemical engineering) should not be a bad thing. The OP can then sort out whether any secondary characteristics of the school matter.</p>
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<p>NCAT has competitive full ride scholarships: <a href=“http://www.ncat.edu/admissions/financial-aid/aid/scholarships/new-fresh-sch.html”>http://www.ncat.edu/admissions/financial-aid/aid/scholarships/new-fresh-sch.html</a> . It has ABET accredited chemical engineering.</p>
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<p>Of course, what some people assume is a PW school may not be. There are schools which are neither PW nor HB, and (a few) schools which are both PW and HB.</p>
<p>PW?</p>
<p>PW = “predominantly white”</p>
<p>Oh I was guessing ‘previously white.’ Stupid of me. </p>
<p>All I could think of was ‘prehistorically white’… That doesn’t make sense either!</p>
<p>I thought it was “partially white”. ;)</p>
<p>I thought it meant P-something Womens (dunno why - have women’s college on my mind lately)</p>
<p>Oh - like Predominently Womens (are there any of those, not 100%, but predominently)?</p>