<p>Now of all the elitist universities, like your Johns Hopkins, Ivies, HYPS, etc. etc,(when it comes to pre-med that is) which ones are KNOWN to weed out their pre-meds? Only reason I created this thread is because I think a consolidated list would be helpful to all of us future pre-meds ;).
I'll start with two that I know that do weed out their premeds:</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins
Stanford</p>
<p>MIT and Caltech definitely put premeds through the wringer, although that's not just specific to the premeds. MIT and Caltech put everybody through the wringer. </p>
<p>I would actually say that of all the top schools in the country, Stanford is probably one of the least tough when it comes to weeding premeds out. Still tough. But, again, nothing like MIT or Caltech.</p>
<p>oceans,</p>
<p>where exactly did you get this information that JHU tries to weed out their premeds? I am quite curious because I would have to totally disagree with you on that one</p>
<p>ALL schools weed out premeds.</p>
<p>People say this but in reality many students think they are med school material and aren't.</p>
<p>Nowherefast, you may want to read this article</p>
<p>"People say this but in reality many students think they are med school material and aren't."</p>
<p>Very very true. Thankfully, not everyone who starts out premed end up getting into (or even applying to) med school.</p>
<p>sakky,</p>
<p>i've seen that article before but contend that the advising office is doing what others in this thread have mentioned, telling students the realization that they may not be adequately prepared or qualified for medical school. The article quotes a few students who have had a bad experience, but like that article, I could give you examples of student who went into advising with a 3.0 or below, were told that a 3.2 would be the optimal gpa to have, and were then motivated by that fact.</p>
<p>when i think of a school trying to weed students out of a program i tend to look at courses and will contend that there aren't really any weed out courses here. the bulk of the pre-meds that i know have not found any of the pre-med courses to be overly difficult, particularly orgo. so in my opinion hopkins doesn't really try to weed out their pre-meds</p>
<p>Nowherefast, the problem is not with the advising service. That is actually a good thing that more schools ought to have.</p>
<p>The problem is with the apparently obstructionist attitude that the premed office has. It is the job of the premed office to help and advise people who want to go to med-school. However, it is not the job of the premed job to attempt to actively prevent certain people from trying to get admitted. Hence, the following quote from the article is extremely disturbing.</p>
<p>"A student with a much lower GPA can still insist on having their application sent to the committee, yet Fishbein stressed this will most likely reflect badly in their recommendation..."</p>
<p>Why should it reflect badly on the recommendation? Like our parents always told us, if you don't have anything good to say about somebody, then fine, don't say anything at all. This is the sort of thing that has a chilling effect on who applies and who doesn't. I agree that JHU is less draconian than certain other schools that will outright bar certain students from applying by simply refusing to submit their transcript to AMCAS, but when you threaten students with a bad rec, it has the same effect. Basically, you are attempting to actively prevent certain students from getting into med-school. </p>
<p>Look, if JHU doesn't want to support a certain student for whatever reason, fine. Don't support that student. But don't force that student to submit a negative committee rec. Let that person submit his applications with no rec at all. Or a boilerplate rec. There are plenty of schools out there like Berkeley that don't provide committee rec's at all, whether to a good student or to a bad one. So if a JHU student isn't supported, then that student should be allowed to submit his application without a committee rec, and he'd be equivalent to the Berkeley premeds who all submit their applications without committee rec. Then let the medical schools decide whether they want to admit him or not. But Fishbein and his committee shouldn't be trying to actively encourage med-schools to reject that student.</p>
<p>sakky, very well put! but coming back to the topic at hand, we can all agree (atleast now we can lol) that JHU, Stanford, MIT, Caltech all weed out their pre-meds. What about Duke? Penn? Quite frankly, this is the main situation I'm trying to pose and avoid. You have what it takes to get into say a JHU or a Stanford for premed, but in the end, if you're in a university where you are weeded out, wouldn't it be better to go someplace to where you don't have to deal with all this bs?? Thats the type of list I believe would be very beneficial for all of us. Instead of going off to every respective university's threads to seeing whether that place weed's out or not, have one easy thread where everyone can see the places that don't weed out =)</p>
<p>State school undergrad and then into state medical school. There is a list for every state.</p>
<p>what if you wanted to apply to Penn Med School, Duke, or HMS.. which premeds are prestigious enough to have their graduates go their, but then not weed out their pre-meds along the process (is the answer that there are none?! lol)</p>
<p>Maybe you don't understand medical schools. Firstly to educate is expensive and there are limited places in each department. State schools will serve their own and are sometimes prejudiced to undergrad education in the state.......believe it or not. Private have limited openings also. Lots of folks want to attend medical school and go out to make their millions therefore demand is usually high. This weeding out that you refer to is just like anything else where supply and demand match up. You will need to get good scores and good stats on your exam and good references but once you are in it isn't so hard. If you are so worried then pick a major that is easier for you and take the science you need in a fashion that is spread out over time and stresses you less. No Chem or Bio is required to enter medical school.</p>
<p>By "weeding out", are we talking about weed-out courses with harsh curves? Or we are talking about the obstructive practice used by JHU premed advising committee? </p>
<p>I'd called Northwestern premed advising office before and the person I talked to said NU doesn't obstruct any student from applying.</p>
<p>"Very very true. Thankfully, not everyone who starts out premed end up getting into (or even applying to) med school."</p>
<p>That, thank god is true. I have watched MTV sometimes and there is these girl out of highschool that want to make alot of money, so they go for a Premed major and scream it to the world like they are the best. In reality those people that spend there time partying/going on MTV like them, will not make it into Medical school.</p>
<p>I don't necessarily agree with you. Some students are able to socialize and party and get better grades than the student who studies lots of hours and devotes all extra time to school work. Every class of medical school has its share of the kids who don't need to work lots of hours to get the top scores. I don't know if your post is more offensive because you equate social experience with low achievement or that it is sexist in its application.</p>
<p>I didn't meen just girls. I ment guys aswell, and usualy the people that go out partying when they should study, don't get the best grades. I don't care if they are genius, and excell greatly at one class. They will suffer in other classes MOST LIKELY and not sucseed. I don;t know about you but i don't want my doctor to be the kid that "just barley got by" is school.</p>
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<p>As I said in my post that got erased because of the technical problems of CC, I have seen no evidence that state medical schools serve their own undergrads. They serve their own state residents, but that's not the same thing as saying that they serve their own undergrads.</p>
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<p>I think you know what Ben.Gundlach is getting at. If a guy smokes 3 packs a day and still lives to be 100 years old, does that now mean that smoking is safe? If one guy wins the lottery to become a billionaire, does that mean that we should all burn up our life savings to buy lottery tickets? </p>
<p>Look, I think we all know just by virtue of common sense that there is a correlation between partying and bad grades, just like we know that there is a correlation between smoking and bad health. A perfect correlation, where the R-squared value = 1? Of course not. But a correlation nonetheless.</p>
<p>agreed, its all about responsibility and having your priorities right...partying on weekends and working ur ass of on weekdays is perfectly fine and what most pre-meds do.... but yeah with all these mtv clowns and non-serious Premeds , maybe 1/50 of them will acually make it.</p>
<p>Yeah see, i don't care if your a genius or not. If you skate my college and get into medical school that is ashame. Even if you are smart you are obviously lacking the responsibility and work ethic that is needed in not just the medcial field but any workplace. Skating by school with low responsibility is for highschool, and most highschoolers like the allure of alot of money in a carrer, pick medical school and think they are going to skate by like highschool.</p>