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<p>Are you for real?! I happen to know someone who turned down a full ride from Columbia, a “scholar” program, to attend that Oxford nonsense.</p>
<p>Ok, my bad. I misused subpar, I feel pretty dumb. But I still back up my original argument. You’re so ready to argue that Emory is not as good as the Ivies that you pulled a grossly incorrect statistic and went so far to defend it when someone challenged it. (No, I’m not trying to argue that Emory is as good as any Ivy, so no one go there.)</p>
<p>And I do know some basic vocabulary, don’t worry your little head. It’s how I got into college in the first place. :)</p>
<p>But once again, your latest post shows who unreasonably stubborn you are. Kwu just provided an example of an excellent student who chose Oxford, yet you push on with your black-and-white vision of the world. When you’ve gone through the admissions process, you can come back and I’ll give you more credibility. </p>
<p>All of the arguments in this thread are mostly based on opinion. From any perspective you can take a negative or positive view of Emory, but you seem convinced that what you say is truth. You demand facts from other people, but I doubt you would listen to them in the first place.</p>
<p>I’ve taken from this thread and acknowledge that Emory is seen as overrated and etc. by many students. You can’t seem to accept the fact that others don’t agree.</p>
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Personally, I thought it was a play on words referencing University of Oxford in England. Am I right?</p>
<p>Er…I didn’t pick up on that. But if it was a joke, there are some students who actually choose to go to Oxford at Emory over other great schools.</p>
<p>I saw one example in the Emory Waiting List thread, where JohnC613 wrote that he was choosing Oxford over a full tuition scholarship to Vanderbilt. I acknowledge that these kinds of students are most likely a minority, but to outright ignore them is sort of extreme.</p>
<p>Why are you guys drawing conclusions from wild aberrations? I’m sure there is someone who got into Harvard but went to community college instead – this doesn’t mean its the norm/right thing to do.</p>
<p>The stats on Oxford at Emory’s website are pretty clear – 1120-1320 (SAT) and 23-28 (ACT). These numbers are not on par with a top 50 university, let alone a top 20.</p>
<p>Vanderbilt wins the cross-admit battles with Emory by a healthy margin (Revealed Preference Data) so it doesn’t really matter what one kid decided.</p>
<p>*** Edit: The JohnC kid has posts asking how hard pre-med classes are at Vanderbilt. I’m pretty sure he didn’t chose Oxford.</p>
<p>I’m still here, bescraze. You don’t seem to realize how much you shift your arguments the more they are disproven. On the Cornell board, once your argument that Brown, Dartmouth, and UPenn were unanimously understood to be superior was soundly discredited, you suddenly started shifting your argument to higher and safer ground with Harvard. You’ve done the same here by shifting the focus to how many people choose the Ivy League over Emory.</p>
<p>You originally claimed that all schools are Ivy rejects - that everybody would go to Ivy League schools if only they could get in. The only point me and Hawkette and Patlees and everybody else was making was that such a simple statement is profoundly untrue. </p>
<p>No matter how many times you or others claim that Emory is a safety school for many Ivy League applicants (and it probably is), it does not negate the falsehood of your original point: that not everybody would go to Ivy schools if they could; that not all other schools are full of Ivy rejects.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, you never concede even the most basic of realities, constantly shifting your argument so you can always avoid saying “I was wrong.”</p>
<p>That is why we hold your age against you. Not because you are young, but because your arrogant youth compels your argument. A true adult is capable of admitting when he or she is wrong.</p>
<p>No matter what you are going to shoot back at me, it cannot negate the fact that many people find the perfect school for themselves far beyond the Ivy or its peers.</p>
<p>I mean, ok. My main point was there will always be some people who will not pick the more prestigious university. Even in my previous post I wrote that these kind of things were in the minority. I never said it was the “norm/right thing to do”. </p>
<p>I’m not here trying to argue if Emory is better than so and so Sure, Vanderbilt is “better” than Emory, whatever. In the end, it doesn’t really matter. If I go to UGA Honors (which is a huge possibility) and do everything I can, I know I can be as successful as I want to be. Needless to say, I got used to school bashing when I decided to go to UGA.</p>
<p>I think that there is a general lack of familiarity with Emory, both nationally and on these boards. That, however, does not automatically mean that the school is an inferior place. It manages to attract a strong student body and their graduates are generally recognized as being very well prepared and capable of competing on equal terms with students from other, higher-profile peers. In particular, the undergrad business school (Goizueta) is well regarded in business circles and this is reflected in the Business Week survey of top undergraduate business school where Emory ranks 5th. </p>
<p>To assist in extending the understanding and appreciation for Emory, here are some data points to consider. I am happy to provide comparisons against other colleges if anyone would like to see them. </p>
<p>O B J E C T I V E D A T A </p>
<p>UNDERGRADUATE ENROLLMENT
Emory 6719</p>
<p>% AND # OF STUDENTS WHO ARE IN-STATE
Emory 21%</p>
<p>% OF FEMALE STUDENTS
Emory 52%</p>
<p>% OF WHITE/NON-HISPANIC STUDENTS
Emory 53%</p>
<p>% FROM PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOLS
Emory na</p>
<p>% OF STUDENTS IN GREEK LIFE (Male & Female)
Emory 27%/32%</p>
<p>TOP MAJORS AT EACH SCHOOL (acc to collegeboard.com)
Emory 26% Social Sciences, 14% Business & Marketing, 9% Psychology, 8% Inter-disciplinary Studies, 7% Biology, 5% Health Professions</p>
<p>COST (Tuition & Fees)
Emory $36,366
Emory $36,366 </p>
<p>TOTAL COLLEGE ENDOWMENT AND PER CAPITA (undergrad and grad)
Emory $5.56 bn ($518,529)</p>
<p>AVERAGE HIGH/LOW IN FEBRUARY
Emory 57-37</p>
<p>GRADUATION RATES
-% OF STUDENTS EXPECTED TO GRADUATE IN 6 YEARS:
Emory 94%
-% OF STUDENTS WHO DO GRADUATE IN 6 YEARS:
Emory 87%
-% OF STUDENTS WHO GRADUATE IN 4 YEARS:
Emory 82%
FRESHMAN RETENTION RATE
Emory 94%
USNWR GRADUATION & RETENTION RANK:
Emory 26th</p>
<p>FACULTY RESOURCES
-% OF CLASSES WITH <20 STUDENTS
Emory 66%
-% OF CLASSES WITH 50+ STUDENTS
Emory 6%
-FACULTY/STUDENT RATIO
Emory 7/1
USNWR FACULTY RESOURCES RANK
Emory 10th</p>
<p>STUDENT SELECTIVITY
-% ACCEPTANCE RATE
Emory 27%
-SAT/ACT RANGE (Middle 50%)
Emory 1300-1470/29-33
-% OF STUDENTS RANKING IN TOP 10% IN HS CLASS
Emory 75%
% OF STUDENTS WITH HS GPA > 3.75 (Unweighted)
Emory 51%</p>
<h1>OF NMS FINALISTS IN 2007 (% of student body)</h1>
<p>Emory 60 (4.9%)
% OF STUDENTS SCORING 700+ ON SAT CRITICAL READING
Emory 48%
% OF STUDENTS SCORING 700+ ON SAT MATH
Emory 56%
% OF STUDENTS SCORING 30+ ON ACT
Emory 70%
USNWR SELECTIVITY RANK
Emory 15th</p>
<p>USNWR FINANCIAL RESOURCES RANK
Emory 17th</p>
<p>ALUMNI GIVING %
Emory 37%
USNWR ALUMNI GIVING RANK
Emory 12th</p>
<p>S U B J E C T I V E D A T A </p>
<p>USNWR PEER ASSESSMENT SCORE
Emory 4</p>
<p>Emory does mediocre in faculty measurables ranking in the 40’s for faculty major awards won and NAS members.</p>
<p>Just pointing to Businessweek’s flawed rankings does not prove anything as I have already shown you the data on the previous page. That is like me pointing to the NHEM rankings constantly to show that CSU > Cornell or whatnot.</p>
<p>"Emory’s average salary for Ugrad Business is $49,413</p>
<p>Compare that to others such as Stern (NYU)/Tepper (CMU) whose medians are both 60,000 and include better top “mode” companies, such as more Wall Street companies. Us News’ ranking of #13 is much more accurate for Emory. The much different companies of Emory are also apparent as they are not companies most top students go for. </p>
<p>Yes, Emory is a Southern School and yes, most kids do end up in the south as its reputation is better in the south, but this is ALSO the reason why it is overrated, especially for business where the sole purpose is not academics or educational purposes. The postgrad surveys say it all. "</p>
<p>^^^Business Week posts the median starting salaries for the schools you mention as:</p>
<p>$50,000 Emory
$52,000 NYU
$55,000 Carnegie Mellon</p>
<p>Not sure why the defining aspect of top companies should be Wall Street. There is a lot going on in American business outside of Wall Street. And frankly in times like right now, having that diverse base of companies/industries to tap into could not be more relevant. Hiring patterns are down sharply on Wall Street and the so-called “best and brightest” haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory these past few years. </p>
<p>And while Emory is a college physically located in the South, it does take a significant number of students from other sections (not much different from its northeastern peers) and I doubt many would describe its feel as extremely southern.</p>
<p>Ifecollegeguy, could you provide a link to where you’re getting this data? </p>
<p>I find it sort of weird that your source would compare averages vs. medians, when sometimes (or usually, I don’t remember that well) medians are higher than averages. </p>
<p>edit: I just realized that you’re not really pulling from one source but rather compiling to make an argument. Don’t argue medians vs. average, keep it to medians vs. medians, averages vs. averages. </p>
<p>Wow, my ap stats class has actually turned out to be useful. lol</p>
<p>“Not sure why the defining aspect of top companies should be Wall Street. There is a lot going on in American business outside of Wall Street. And frankly in times like right now, having that diverse base of companies/industries to tap into could not be more relevant. Hiring patterns are down sharply on Wall Street and the so-called “best and brightest” haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory these past few years.”</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
<p>barrons,
Re the NAS profile for Emory, please keep in mind that they don’t have an engineering department and also that only 7% of the students graduate with majors in biological/life sciences. </p>
<p>Given the focus of the NAS, “The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) is an honorific society of distinguished scholars engaged in scientific and engineering research, dedicated to the furtherance of science and technology and to their use for the general welfare” it is no surprise that Emory has low membership and a low profile there.</p>
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<p>Then gkc3 we have nothing to argue about, since you clearly agree with my point. </p>
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<p>How is this statement untrue, because you personally disagree? As many people have stated, the statistical data points to the evidence that when an applicant is accepted into an ivy and a school like Emory, the vast majority choose the Ivy. From that basic factual evidence a fair conclusion would be to state that Emory attracts students that are for the most part not as qualified as the Ivy league and in many cases may have been rejected from those schools.</p>
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<p>I never once equivocated from this central point. I do believe these schools are better than Cornell and the only reason the argument switched towards Harvard is because patlees in his ignorance believed there was no separation at all in the Ivy league, including HYP as well (ie Cornell=Harvard) Your argument is always the same, people can go wherever in life and be fine and O yes all the top 20 schools are equal. I am sorry, but that is not true. Not in rankings, perception, employment and life—certain schools are seen as better than others. It all depends what you want. </p>
<p>I probably want to go into business and there is no question that graduating from U penn/ Columbia will give me a larger first step advantage than Cornell, which is just not seen quite as well. Your attempts to belittle me, simply side-steps the point that your argument is wrong. Look at other posts on here, learn from them and than tell me how is it that I and not you can not admit when I am wrong?</p>
<p>Edit: For the record I never defended the acceptance rate I posted of Emory, but simply posted it and waited for someone to get the data as well. Once that was done I conceded my info was faulty, because to be honest it seemed too high for me as well. So I can admit when I am wrong, but I guess you can’t.</p>
<p>A business student graduating from NYU Stern would arguably have more advantage than many Ivy graduates (excluding Wharton). <em>shrug</em></p>
<p>I thought it was a brand of toothpaste or something.</p>
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<p>That doesn’t prove that the majority of Emory students applied to or were interested in Ivies, though. It just means that for that subset who WERE interested and got into both, they chose the Ivy over Emory.</p>
<p>Hawkette: </p>
<p>Here is emory’s own website : [Goizueta</a> Facts & Figures](<a href=“http://goizueta.emory.edu/aboutgoizueta/factsFigures.html]Goizueta”>http://goizueta.emory.edu/aboutgoizueta/factsFigures.html)
49k</p>
<p>Stern: Found on their website as well, but I don’t have stern’s bookmarked like I do the other two. On the main page though it says the average.</p>
<p>Tepper: [Business</a> Administration - Post-Graduation Survey Results - Information for Students and Alumni - Career Center - Student Affairs](<a href=“http://www.studentaffairs.cmu.edu/career/employ/salary/ba.html]Business”>http://www.studentaffairs.cmu.edu/career/employ/salary/ba.html) Median 60k, Avg 57k</p>
<p>Median, as any statistics major or anyone who has taken a statistics class will tell you, is a better indicator as it better deals with the problem of outliers. That one guy working for his dad getting 200k or that one guy who has a change of heart and works for 10k will not be weighted as heavily (outliers). Therefore, we can compare a 60k median vs. Emory’s 50k median.</p>
<p>Also, look at the detailed results and you see that Tepper/Stern not only has better top companies but also, to address your argument, better placement in top consulting companies and other fields as well. </p>
<p>Basically you are just saying local southern employment > Top Companies in NY (Wall St)/VA/etc.? For any business alum/recruiter/student, that makes little sense.</p>
<p>$50K in Atlanta goes much farther than $60K in NYC. And the lifestyle is nicer too. People don’t work 75 hours a week in Atlanta. You can buy a nice home for $300K.</p>