<p>dna3: full disclosure please....Emory Scholar???</p>
<p>Applejack I never said that a "person that goes to Emory is quietly miserable for having not gotten into an Ivy+ school?"</p>
<p>People face decisions and disappointments in life that may not have been what they initially planned, but they can still be happy. My brother wanted to go to Penn, it did not work out and he ended up at Wash U. Was it his first choice no, but he still loves it. I never said attending EMory is a bad choice or a choice that will make you miserable, my two cousins attended Emory and are currently in the work force. I can say fully that they would not have been able to attend an Ivy institution and have several times told me the difficulty finding jobs in LA/NYC was out of a southern school. Maybe you should look at the statements that you make as "fact" and realize your own criticism of me applies just as much toward you. In the world what school you attends matters (we may dispute how much) , Emory is not at the same stature as those IVy and comparable institutions, so I am not really sure where your argument comes from. It is a good school with a regional appeal, and predominantly attended by kids who were rejected by Ivy League schools like many other comparable universities of its type. Look at the cross section of acceptances and enrollees at these schools and that statement holds true much more than the random kid that posts I turned down blah blah blah for Emory.</p>
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Emory is a good school and saying it is a place where Ivy rejects goes is not really a criticism, since basically every non-ivy school is, with a select few exceptions.
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<p>Your argument is fundamentally wrong. You have a profound misunderstanding of how people select the best schools for themselves. Whatever. Good luck.</p>
<p>I am sorry that you fail to comprehend how people choose their schools. People desire to go to the best school they can after narrowing down the fit...my argument makes sense, you simply have none. Good luck</p>
<p>Yes - after narrowing down the fit. Which means that a vast, vast, vast majority of college applicants have no desire to go to any Ivy school - not because they would be rejected from them, but because they don't provide the educational atmosphere or programs they want. </p>
<p>Your argument about cross admits only accounts for people who actually applied to Ivy League schools, so of course amongst those who applied Emory is going to often lose out. </p>
<p>You're just resorting to childish attacks again and completely unwilling to have a discussion, so I'm out. Lunch break's over.</p>
<p>"At Emory the acceptance rate is about 44%"
You should probably have a source for your incorrect data. For the past two years the acceptance rate has been 27 and 26 percent. Class</a> Profile</p>
<p>amadani that was already corrected. Applejack as I have heard you and others countless time states, each ivy is unique in its social scene, location, academic preferences and atmosphere. If one wanted too they could easily narrow down a list to find a few Ivy League/top LACS/ Top other universities to meet the criteria on your list. Thus fit is really only a small piece of the whole, once you narrow down a list to say 4 reaches 3 matches and 3 safeties you aspire to go to the best school you can get into. That is exactly how most people do the process. You are trying to paint my argument as "childish," but once again I say you have no argument. </p>
<p>Also your argument about "cross admits only account for people who actually apply to ivy league schools," is irrelevant. That fact doesn't change anything. The argument was simply that statistically a vast majority of students choose one of those schools over Emory, why do you think Emory's yield is so low. I am willing to have an intelligence discussion, sadly you seem not too be able.</p>
<p>How the hell did this turn into a six-page argument?
Another tiers and prestige thing?</p>
<p>@Bescraze,</p>
<p>We know a lot of people pick Ivies, because it's the Ivies. But your credibility isn't great. Just one page ago in this thread, you were arguing with conviction that Emory was sub-par...based on wrong data. And honestly, if you are naive enough to think that Emory has an acceptance rate of 44%.... lol</p>
<p>when did I ever say sub-par? I said it is not as good as an Ivy and similar in prestige to a school like Vanderbilt? I fail to see how stating the fact that a university does not fall in the top 10-15 universities is calling it sub par? Sensitive at all?</p>
<p>Arguing in these threads are always pointless, everyone should give their opinion followed by fact/data if possible and then move on.</p>
<p>Personally, I think Emory is Overrated due to its weak selectivity and its only strong area of Medicine. Its coke money/med school is basically keeping it afloat and likewise, Emory pumps most of its resources and attention into its Med School and associated fields (graduate).</p>
<p>How do I know? My dad got a PH.D. from Emory and I had to live in Decatur,GA and even went several times to his labs. </p>
<p>Its business school as seen by its businessweek rank is HEAVILY overrated by looking at its postgrad grad survey and comparing it with other top business schools.</p>
<p>In my opinion, its not that selective, it is very yield-protecting and tries to game the system, it gets its money which helps its ranking but it does not manage it well (especially not for ugrads or non-med majors), and it has relatively weak majors in every major except Med.</p>
<p>Now, moving on....</p>
<p>I'm sorry to continue this but I think that if your criteria for debate is fact/data that you should actually provide some instead of just stating that you've been to emory to visit your father.
"only strong area is med" - med, law, business, are all very highly ranked in addition to the great grad departments like English, history, and neuroscience.
"Emory is not that selective" - Emory is the 15th most selective school in the country according to the US news methodology.
"Games the system" - maybe some kind of example of this would be helpful instead of an assertion.
"does not manage its money well (especially for ugrads and non-med majors" - again, there is no support for this claim (esp. since med is not a major). There is massive amount of funding for the humanities and social sciences including programs such as SIRE, the marble library, and some of the school's best professors (Tretheway - pulitzer prize winner, Rushdie, Jimmy Carter).
"Coke money" - Emory hasn't had its money from coke for quite a while. It diversified its investments in the 80s so its endowment relies little on coke now.</p>
<p>^^^ No Emory is the 15th "best" university, not necessarily 15th most selective. Selectivity is only like 7.5% of total ranking.</p>
<p>Everything ifecollegeguy said is absolutely true. Where are your facts--Emory is not extremely selective, it does protect its yield, which is not great, it has a decent amount of money and its best area is considered medicine. All its other programs (English, history), may be good, but you cannot think they are better than allot of other institutions. Also you do realize history/English are gigantically broad categories of knowledge right? So where are your facts?</p>
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"does not manage its money well (especially for ugrads and non-med majors" - again, there is no support for this claim (esp. since med is not a major).
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If you missed the page(s) of this thread where I wondered how wisely Emory is doling out financial aid, then it might look like there's no support.</p>
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"Games the system" - maybe some kind of example of this would be helpful instead of an assertion.
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<p>Emory games the system by putting all of their low-scoring applicants in "Oxford College at Emory" for two years and then provides automatic transfers for all of these kids. Imagine if all universities skewed their stats like this.</p>
<p>One of the worst things about Emory is that nobody really wants to be there. It has the second lowest yield of schools ranked in the top 25 (only CMU is worse). It performance in the Revealed Preference is embarrassing. Many dub Emory as the "Tufts of the south" meaning that its a classic safety school (the school needs to "track" interest to improve yield, etc.)</p>
<p>Also, the student body has a bad reputation for being flashy "new money" kids absorbed in conspicuous consumption. Segregation is bad (especially among Jewish students and Asians) and there is no school spirit to unite the university.</p>
<p>Sorry Ama, I thought I did include facts, but others above me have covered most of them so I will cover the final:</p>
<p>"Emory's average salary for Ugrad Business is $49,413"</p>
<p>Compare that to others such as Stern (NYU)/Tepper (CMU) whose medians are both 60,000 and include better top "mode" companies, such as more Wall Street companies. Us News' ranking of #13 is much more accurate.</p>
<p>Yes, Emory is a Southern School and yes, most kids do end up in the south as its reputation is better in the south, but this is ALSO the reason why it is overrated, especially for business where the sole purpose is not academics or educational purposes. The postgrad surveys say it all. </p>
<p>Other academic majors are harder to compare but I think the other posters have done their best to prove that Emory's pre-med is their best program and how other factors compare with respect to other top schools.</p>
<p>Anyways off I go, sorry again for the data mishap as I thought I included it.</p>
<p>Bescraze you're crazy man.</p>
<p>I wonder where applejack and hawkette are now? TheOC89 and Ifecollegeguy have made the exact point I have been trying to for several pages. I thank them and that pretty much is Emory.</p>
<p>"not as good"=subpar. Hasty at all? You're the one freaking out with all the rhetorical questions, which made up the entirety of one of your posts. (And seriously, the reason why people are probably more open to TheOC89 and Ifecollegeguy's posts is because they don't come off as...annoying.) </p>
<p>As for Emory's strong English department, that's one of the reasons I was attracted to Emory over UGA. The lit teachers at my school raved about Emory's English dept. to me. lol</p>
<p>The whole gaming the system thing is something I don't know much about. I know for a fact that Emory is a rankings-obsessed school, which turns me off so badly. </p>
<p>Random question-- could you also say NYU "games" the system through its GSP program? When I think about it, Emory and NYU are similar schools. They're both generalized as expensive, overrated, haven for the rich, etc. etc. When I was trying to decide whether to go to NYU or not, my sister's warnings about the school eventually drove me away.</p>
<p>"not as good" does not =subpar. It equals not as good. Subpar means well below average. If your below the best universities in the nation thats not below average is it? Come back to me when you learn basic vocabulary.</p>
<p>Kwu sorry, but his thing on oxford is dead on. My friend is doing it and lets say he probably had C's and less then 1300's boards.</p>