<p>Can someone who got into the College of Engineering kindly post their stats. I am a prospective student who wants an idea of how admissions into engineering compares to L&S.</p>
<p>my brother goes there, so here is his stats.</p>
<p>sat=2250
sat math 2c = 800
bio = 760
chem = 790
GPA UW = 3.96
weighted = 4.5ish
6 APs before senior year(10 after graduation), All 5s
Bio, Chem, Calc BC, Physics C, English language, US history</p>
<p>he had EXTREMELY poor ECs, I am guessing UCB doesnt care too much about your ECs. He had like volunteer hours thats it.</p>
<p>good luck to you, I am applying as well</p>
<p>The CoE website use to have admission statistics. I wonder why they took it off.</p>
<p>Is your bro doing electrical?</p>
<p>From the info packet that I got from the CoE, it says that the mean SAT is 1394 and the average GPA was 4.35</p>
<p>Yes, he is majoring in Electrical Engineering.</p>
<p>SAT1: 2240
SAT IIs: 800, 800, 780
six 5s and a 4 in AP scores
a good amount of ECs
IEOR major</p>
<p>Looking at the other engineers on my floor, there's an EECS kid who got into Harvard and Stanford, a bio E kid who got into columbia and brown (2300 SAT), and another Bio E who got into northwestern.</p>
<p>that eecs kid could have gone to stanford but cal's much cheaper if he's instate and i would say the quality of education is the same. really, if i were given admission to harvard ee and cal eecs, i would choose cal eecs in less than a heartbeat. it's a no brainer for me. i would say that there is no advantage in going to columbia, brown, or northwestern for bio E when you can come to Cal for about half the price. cal's a better engineering school overall anyway.</p>
<p>Yah Cal is way better in engineering than all the Ivy's. The only thing I would say would be better from going to Harvard engineering is that it will be easier to get a job in Ibanking or consulting if you were interested in that, but if you want to be an engineer, Cal is a lot better.</p>
<p>By the way, my stats,</p>
<p>Math 800
Verbal 740
Writing 710</p>
<p>GPA 4.25
Bad SAT2's 690 Math, 710 Physics
Lots of really good EC's and took lots of college classes, up to linear algebra in math. My grades Freshmen/Softmore year were not that great, but i had a huge upward trend.</p>
<p>And I'm a Mech Eng major</p>
<p>My point was that they were all highly qualified students, not that they should have gone to ivy's instead.</p>
<p>what are my chances into civil
sat 1: 2030
cp gpa: 4.32
sat II pending...
okay ec's and good essays
will retake sat1 in dec</p>
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Yah Cal is way better in engineering than all the Ivy's. The only thing I would say would be better from going to Harvard engineering is that it will be easier to get a job in Ibanking or consulting if you were interested in that, but if you want to be an engineer, Cal is a lot better.
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<p>Yeah, but that just begs the question of how many of them really want to be engineers? At MIT, it's become something of a running joke that many of the best engineering students will never take engineering jobs, instead running off to consulitng or banking, or go to law/medical school. These are some of the best engineer students in the world, and even many of them don't really want to be engineers. Sad but true.</p>
<p>Consider this quote from Time Magazine:</p>
<p>"Even at M.I.T., the U.S.'s premier engineering school, the traditional career path has lost its appeal for some students. Says junior Nicholas Pearce, a chemical-engineering major from Chicago: "It's marketed as--I don't want to say dead end but sort of 'O.K., here's your role, here's your lab, here's what you're going to be working on.' Even if it's a really cool product, you're locked into it." Like Gao, Pearce is leaning toward consulting. "If you're an M.I.T. grad and you're going to get paid $50,000 to work in a cubicle all day--as opposed to $60,000 in a team setting, plus a bonus, plus this, plus that--it seems like a no-brainer." </p>
<p>Furthermore, when you talk about Berkeley (or any other school) offering a "better" education, you have to ask yourself what that means. You can search through my old posts where I have shown that people who graduate from no-name engineering schools basically make roughly the same starting salary as somebody who graduated from a top engineering school. For example, people who graduate in engineering from Michigan Tech make about the same as those who graduate from Michigan, even though there is little dispute that Michigan is a better engineering school. The difference is negligible - maybe about 1-2k a year, and in the grand scheme of things, that's pretty meaningless. The sad truth is that employers don't pay much extra for somebody with a 'better' engineering education. So why get that 'better' engineering education if you're not really going to be rewarded for it?</p>
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that eecs kid could have gone to stanford but cal's much cheaper if he's instate and i would say the quality of education is the same. really, if i were given admission to harvard ee and cal eecs, i would choose cal eecs in less than a heartbeat. it's a no brainer for me. i would say that there is no advantage in going to columbia, brown, or northwestern for bio E when you can come to Cal for about half the price. cal's a better engineering school overall anyway.
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<p>You first of all are presuming that Cal is going to be the cheaper option. I am not aware of any information that would indicate that the OP is a state resident, and if you are OOS, then Cal's sticker price is going to be about the same as any private school.</p>
<p>Furthermore, let's not neglect the importance of financial aid. Financial aid can drastically change the equation. I know some people who are from California and got admitted to both Berkeley and Harvard...and found out that Harvard was actually going to be CHEAPER for them, once financial aid was factored in. Essentially, Berkeley wanted these guys to take out some loans, whereas Harvard offered full grants plus a full stipend. I will always remember one of them mordantly declaring that he always dreamed of going to Berkeley, but he couldn't afford it, so he had "no choice" but to go to Harvard. Honestly, if you had the choice between having to pay to go to Berkeley, or actually GET PAID to go to Harvard (because of the stipend), honestly, what would you choose? Be honest with yourself. </p>
<p>The other major advantage I see in other engineering programs is that you can switch around. Let's face it. Very few 17-18 year olds really know what they want to do with the rest of their life. One major problem with Berkeley engineering is that you get locked into a specific major, with only constrained opportunities to switch later. So if you get into Berkeley BioE and get mediocre grades, you may not be able to switch to something else, and hence you will get locked into something you don't really want to do anymore. Other schools are far more free about allowing student to shop around and switch majors as necessary.</p>
<p>"The other major advantage I see in other engineering programs is that you can switch around. Let's face it. Very few 17-18 year olds really know what they want to do with the rest of their life. One major problem with Berkeley engineering is that you get locked into a specific major, with only constrained opportunities to switch later. So if you get into Berkeley BioE and get mediocre grades, you may not be able to switch to something else, and hence you will get locked into something you don't really want to do anymore. Other schools are far more free about allowing student to shop around and switch majors as necessary."</p>
<p>How very true.</p>