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<p>NOOOOOOO!!!</p>
<p>Lol Taffy, so are you implying that I have no vader love because of the U.S logos all over . . . actually, I've never been a star wars fan, I was dragged to the 1st movie and that was the last one i saw.</p>
<p>Okay neverborn, I mean obviously when people are extreme in such rules, it leads to bad endings. I mean, I'm sure what they did is probably not even supported in the religion. In fact it isn't.
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The prophet at that time had said, "My companions are like the stars. Whichever one you follow, you are on the right path." And so that even though the companions had many different opinions, he didn't say, "shut up," and "you are right," and "he was wrong." No. He was always against extremism. He discouraged and even spoke strongly against extremism.
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Any type of religious extremism is generally not good, and leads to a very dangerous environment.</p>
<p>Human trafficking is wrong, I'm not saying this country is perfecto. I'm saying that I think it's more moral, than other countries, maybe in different aspects. And hopefully with time, such actions will stop . . the US is passing international laws to help all countries with this dilemma to stop, but I don't think the US needs to interfere now to try and change the country as the US sees fit. And you agree, right?
"Right now, Saudi by no means should have interference occur."
I agree too.</p>
<p>"God help you if you're a Jew, Christian, or other non-Muslim."
By the way, if you know you're not welcome in a place, why would you go? Maybe a reason that SA is based on a puritanical version of Islam is because the two holiest cities known to muslim mankind is housed in their country, and they feel the need to protect the country, by making rules such as No Jews allowed. . ? I'm not promoting this viewpoint, and other religious scholars think this is also too extreme (<a href="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june02/saudi_2-19.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june02/saudi_2-19.html</a>), but they're afraid, what can I say . . and the rules have been lessened a little in recent times.</p>
<p>"Considering how many public beheadings there are of rapists and drug traffickers, you'd think they'd have none. They don't."
No country will have none, no matter how strict you make the country; there will always be bad apples that manage to evade the law. What happens when a rape case is found in the US? Sometimes the offender is punished, but sometimes there's a long "case" and in the end, even though the rape was committed, the person goes free. In SA, the rapist is punished immediately. </p>
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Saudi Arabia has jailed three men convicted of organising the rape of a teenage girl and later peddling footage of the assault across mobile networks. Two Saudi men used a video mobile to film the assault of a 17-year-old girl by a Nigerian man, a Saudi court heard. The subsequent distribution of this video across mobile networks ultimately led to the men's arrest and conviction.</p>
<p>The unnamed trio were this week sentenced to between two and 12 years imprisonment along with up to 1,200 lashes, Reuters reports. The men have a right to appeal.
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This is what was found in the article you supplied. So, yes you might think it's cruel, but should they have committed such an act, especially in Saudi Arabia? They get a chance to appeal, but at least something is being done.</p>
<p>Alright, it's great and all that we're arguing our viewpoints, but its 20 mins till 3 AM . . so i'm gonna go study like I planned and shut down the computer.</p>
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<p>So then how is Saudi Arabia any different? The country is a clear example of what happens when religious extremists get their say. </p>
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By the way, if you know you're not welcome in a place, why would you go? Maybe a reason that SA is based on a puritanical version of Islam is because the two holiest cities known to muslim mankind is housed in their country, and they feel the need to protect the country, by making rules such as No Jews allowed. . ?
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<p>Or maybe it's because the Wahabbist House of Saud took over and established the modern state of Saudi Arabia in the 1930s. But yeah, who cares about history? Either way, I thought that Islam welcomes all faiths as members of the Abrahamic brotherhood? Oh you know what, it does!</p>
<p>And what about the Jews and Christians living there? So sad, too bad?</p>
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No country will have none, no matter how strict you make the country; there will always be bad apples that manage to evade the law. What happens when a rape case is found in the US? Sometimes the offender is punished, but sometimes there's a long "case" and in the end, even though the rape was committed, the person goes free. In SA, the rapist is punished immediately.
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<p>I bet there are more wrongful convictions in Saudi Arabia than there are wrongful acquitals in the US.</p>
<p>This is just beyond words...Abortion is not a question of right or wrong, immoral or moral. It is a question of choice, legislations such as these only limit choices. Im tired of politiations who legislate thier TASTE/OPINION. If abortions are legal nobodys forcing anyone go to through with it, you have a CHOICE whether to or not... If they are ILLEGAL, you have NO CHOICE. What is more fair in our democratic country, you decide.</p>
<p>Abortion SHOULD be legal. Roe vs. Wade SHOULD NOT be overturned. Our government has no right to limit/restrict a woman's choice to have an abortion ESPECIALLY if she was raped. Basic human rights.</p>
<p>Good thing pretty much no one lives in South Dakota.</p>
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This is just beyond words...Abortion is not a question of right or wrong, immoral or moral. It is a question of choice, legislations such as these only limit choices. Im tired of politiations who legislate thier TASTE/OPINION. If abortions are legal nobodys forcing anyone go to through with it, you have a CHOICE whether to or not... If they are ILLEGAL, you have O CHOICE. What is more fair in our democratic country, you decide.
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<p>i completely agree with that.
abortion is always a choice (at least in the U.S....)
and i do not understand why these legislators in South Dakota feel they have the right to interfere with that choice.
as a whole i do not really understand why abortion should have restrictions.</p>
<p>i understand that those who are religious have different values; therefore, many cannot accept the "death" of an embryo.</p>
<p>however, they must understand there are many people like myself who think differently, and they should respect that. see, it's a choice. those who are religious can choose not to have abortions. i dont see why they have to go as far as controlling that choice for others who don't share the same beliefs.</p>
<p>south dakota has what, 700,000 people? a drop in the bucket...</p>
<p>"So then how is Saudi Arabia any different? The country is a clear example of what happens when religious extremists get their say."</p>
<p>Well. It's getting better, for the most part they're just following what their religion says to do . . just a little too much.</p>
<p>"So sad, too bad?"</p>
<p>YEAH THEY SHOULDA MOVED LONG AGO SUCKER</p>
<p>"I bet there are more wrongful convictions in Saudi Arabia than there are wrongful acquitals in the US."</p>
<p>Oh okay. Prove it if you're so sure. This argument is becoming dumb, you're always going to think that unless a country has freedoms like the US, it's oppressed. And I"m always going to think that the US doesn't need (or really should have the right) to change another country just because it doesn't comply with its way of modesty and living. Unless the country is clearly violating an international rule like the human trafficking, no need to get all bent outta shape about how a country is running . . and in fact none of that is happening, us and s.arabia are getting "along" now anyway. let's just quit right here. i mean, i still think the title is disrepectful, but it's not like people in the US care about respect anymore anyway (aka "Lay off these Muslim countries? **** that, those countries are savage nations for the most part.") </p>
<p>so . . . finished?</p>
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NOOOOOOO!!!
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<p>yeah its nothing compared to the vader pic i wanted to post...</p>
<p>ok this isnt directed at anybody so hopefully i dont get banned:
<a href="http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/28/vader5aq.gif%5B/url%5D">http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/28/vader5aq.gif</a></p>
<p>sarorah,</p>
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YEAH THEY SHOULDA MOVED LONG AGO SUCKER
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<p>Or how about the Saudis be decent human beings and treat their minorities with some respect? So if the Saudis start committing genocide, is that a reasonable excuse? Obviously, this is an extreme, but I don't think that it's fair to tell populations that have lived within areas for generations that they should just up and move. Or was Hussein justified in killing Kurds?</p>
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This argument is becoming dumb, you're always going to think that unless a country has freedoms like the US, it's oppressed.
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<p>You're really good at putting words in people's mouths it seems. I've never said that. YOU keep saying that I'm saying that, but I haven't. I'm saying that </p>
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Unless the country is clearly violating an international rule like the human trafficking, no need to get all bent outta shape about how a country is running . . and in fact none of that is happening,
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<p>Did you like, I dunno, ignore all those links? Saudi Arabia is a known violator of human trafficking laws. Take down the blinders. </p>
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us and s.arabia are getting "along" now anyway. let's just quit right here.
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<p>Yeah, so is the US and Pakistan. This doesn't mean I think that Pakistan is an ideal example of an ally. Hell, the US got along beautifully with many of the South American dictatorships of the 70s and 80s. That doesn't mean it was a good thing. Quit ASSuming that I'm some flag waving jingoist. I'm not. I have just as many issues with American handling of human rights issues domestically and abroad. So enough with you putting words in my mouth.
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"Lay off these Muslim countries? **** that, those countries are savage nations for the most part.")
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<p>Wow. Way to put words in my mouth again. I suppose this means you can't argue my points logically, then? </p>
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so . . . finished?
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<p>Why, because you want to stop? Call the waaahmbulance for all I care, you haven't acknowledged the human trafficking.</p>
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and i do not understand why these legislators in South Dakota feel they have the right to interfere with that choice.
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<p>It's all about "saving the babies" for them.</p>
<p>I DID ACKNOWLEDGE THE HUMAN TRAFFICKING, I READ YOUR STUPID ARTICLES, goodl ord. Look at post #82. I read ALL of your sites, and copied a flippin section from them, and acknowledged it. I'm tired of arguing with you, this is why I want to stop. You just dont get it. Look at the site I posted, I told you people are doing things to try and fix the so called "extremism" in your eyes. If I keep putting words in your mouth, what the hell are you trying to say then?</p>
<p>"Yeah, so is the US and Pakistan. This doesn't mean I think that Pakistan is an ideal example of an ally."</p>
<p>so what do you want to do, get a team of people to start changing pakistan until you're satisfied?</p>
<p>sarorah,</p>
<p>No, but should we stand idly by and just ignore atrocities, genocides, and crimes against humanity? That's my point. Culture takes a backseat when people are being mistreated. It's a fine line between "respecting culture" and tacitly accepting atrocities.</p>
<p>Respecting culture is shrugging one's shoulders when a society establishes age hierarchy like Japan. Accepting atrocity is when you watch the Taliban mass murder people for nothing more than expressing opinions.</p>
<p>Why does nobody complain when a culture they're not invested in (like say North Korea) gets censure?</p>
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Or how about the Saudis be decent human beings and treat their minorities with some respect? So if the Saudis start committing genocide, is that a reasonable excuse? Obviously, this is an extreme, but I don't think that it's fair to tell populations that have lived within areas for generations that they should just up and move. Or was Hussein justified in killing Kurds?
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<p>Lets rephrase this:</p>
<p>Or how about the Israelis be decent human beings and treat their minorities with some respect? So if the Israelis start committing genocide, is that a reasonable excuse? Obviously, this is an extreme, but I don't think that it's fair to tell populations that have lived within areas for generations that they should just up and move. Or was Sharon justified in killing Palestinians?</p>
<p>Haha, now you're pointing at Pakistan? This is funny, especially since paks have freedom of speech to b1tch at their government. Dont tell me their an enemy cause they're Muslim...
Pakistan is doing just as well as India (if not better).</p>
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No, but should we stand idly by and just ignore atrocities, genocides, and crimes against humanity?
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<p>No, but since when did the US seriously commit to stopping genocides?</p>
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<p>Yeah, tell that to Israelis who are committing systematic ethnic discrimination against the Palestinians. </p>
<p>Democracy isnt ideal everywhere. As my good friend Arsitotle said, democracy will be stable only in wealthy nations. The so-called "democracy" in Afghanistan will turn to anarchy soon. Thus, theocracy is the best option for Middle Eastern nations. The problem is that Muslim leaders are too stupid to enforce the religious doctrines in laws as they were intended by the faith.</p>
<p>7_dust: When Palestinians stop using children as shields, stop blending in with civilians, and engage in a "fair" war, Israel will also engage in a "fair" war. Deal with it.</p>
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When Palestinians stop using children as shields, stop blending in with civilians, and engage in a "fair" war, Israel will also engage in a "fair" war. Deal with it.
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<p>You wanna talk fair? I dont think the IDF, armed with the best weapons, versus Palestinians with rocks and sticks (and denonce as terrorists!) is fair at all. Being one sided wont solve anything.</p>
<p>Palestinians started the war. They had the opportunity to coexist. 1948 and 1967 proved they did not want to - they now have a tiny sliver (and occupied to boot) of the land they would have in 1948.</p>
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Palestinians started the war. They had the opportunity to coexist. 1948 and 1967 proved they did not want to - they now have a tiny sliver (and occupied to boot) of the land they would have in 1948
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<p>No, its Israel's fault. They had no right to drive out the palestinians from their homeland just because their ancestors inhabited the region thousands of years ago. Unfortunately they are militarily superior, so I doubt the Palestinians could stop them.</p>
<p>btw, its THEIR land, there is no need for them to share with foreigners. I know any country in a similar situation would be ****ed. Its because of the Israelis that major terrorists like Bin Laden get massive support. Obvioulsy Sharon is a terrorist also, but thats a whole different matter.</p>
<p>Like the leader of Hamas said: "As long as we're under occupation, then resistance is our right."</p>
<p>It was Britain's land, it was given from Britain by the United Nations to the STATE of Israel. </p>
<p>Nice that you quote the leader of Hamas to glorify terrorism.</p>