Exeter Culture

Id be interested to hear thoughts/insight into the culture at Exeter. I was just reading recent articles in The Exonian and was really surprised to see that Exeter has made a decision to indefinitely close the Grill in response to a surge in thefts from it by students. I was pretty shocked/disappointed to see that Exeter would have a serious problem with theft by students. Also surprised in a negative way from the anonymous students quoted in the article. Quotes such as:

“I stole because the items are crazy expensive”

“It’s almost like a challenge of who can steal the most from Grill”

Really??

The tone of the article and student quotes is more worrisome than the actual stealing. It says more about the culture, doesn’t it?

At Andover (which has an even more spread out campus) scooter theft was common. The head of school literally told a student whose scooter was stolen words to the effect “Be glad you have the resources to afford a scooter.”A lot of the scooters are eventually recovered, but this behavior is tolerated by the current administration because Correctness or something. Exeter grad, BTW.

A week later we visited Holderness and noticed lots of scooters on campus, none locked. Asked the guide if thefts ever happened and the response was “never.” Kids register the scooters with Public Safety and a numbered decal is applied. If a student is caught with someone else’s scooter, they go before the Disciplinary Committee. Very common sense, morally and ethically correct approach, don’t you think?

All that said, every school has plentiful examples of teenagers being stupid. Not sure Exeter would be worse.

When I read The Exonian articles, it doesn’t come off to me as just teenagers being stupid. I had just skimmed one of the articles and returned to read more closely and found these quotes by students:

“At first, I was spending hundreds of dollars at Grill and I got into the habit of stealing because I didn’t want to pay so much anymore. Also, the lines were always so long.”

“[Stealing] might also be a sign of rebellion against an administration that many feel leaves out its students in the important decision-making.”

Current Exeter parents - is this issue an accurate picture/representation of the vibe/culture on campus?

We visited this Fall for interview/tour/etc and came away with a very positive view in general, but reading such articles and exploring more, I am growing concerned about the culture/values …

@CMKDad Not specifically Exeter, but I keep finding less than stellar comments online about one of the schools we applied to. Or articles in the school newspaper along with comments that rub me the wrong way. I think at some point you need to listen to your gut about things like this.

It happens that at the same time we have had some really warm and welcoming experiences at two other schools (not interviews but just hanging out on campus meeting with people) so we are feeling really good about them. The school I mentioned above just seems not so good at getting families to feel great about the school. Because these things have all happened together it starts to feel like there is a reason to it all and I should pay attention.

In a word, nope. The closure of Grill has been mentioned by my son a couple of times, initially because he was surprised and disappointed, and now because he’s deeply annoyed. His feeling was some kids viewed it as an extension of the dining hall, and felt it was somehow less wrong to steal from the school than an outside business. Yes, there are kids who make stupid choices with dubious moral reasoning everywhere. I don’t think it reflects a larger ethical crisis - the school has done the right thing in closing it, and expect when Grill reopens, there won’t be as much of an issue.

I think there are a couple of things at play with any school’s newspaper. 1. The writers and editors want the paper to be read and discussed. As with any media source, the quotes and stories that are published are chosen to draw the reader in. 2. These are the work of individual students, and different students will view the school and the goings-on differently. I made sure to get copies of student publications from almost all of the schools we looked at, and there was a wide range of tone, from over-the-top peppy cheerleading, to bitter and cynical, and everything in between - within the same paper. 3. Student reports are often written without complete knowledge of a situation, on a deadline by a kid who may also be balancing academics, sports, music, and other commitments. I think the student writers and editors do a phenomenal job, but it’s important to keep in mind they’re not professionals, this isn’t a direct communication from the administration and - perhaps most importantly - off-campus adults are reading it with a very different eye than their intended audience does.

It’s difficult to speak generally about a campus culture, because the campus contains a multitude of distinct cultures, each with their own values.  There are silos, so to speak, of every sort: specific sports teams, dorms, arts/theater, academic interests, extracurricular interests, affinity groups.  Most kids will feel a strong connection with one or two groups in particular, those kids will be their close friends, and while they’ll interact with and know other kids on campus, they may have very little in common with the kids outside of their silo.  My son has met people he will probably be friends with for life, and he’s met people he would be happy to never see again.  It’s just like any other setting. 

I do want to say that the school is in a transition period, but I feel the interim principal, Bill Rawson, is a wonderful addition to campus and is truly being thoughtful about community, culture and values.  I’ve met him a couple of times, and found him to be not just clearly skilled and uniquely well suited for the role, but also genuinely warm.  If you get a chance, read more about him or watch his opening day assembly speech.  As an alumna who heard some form of “You are the best and the brightest” from that stage every week (and saw the sense of entitlement that follows from that sentiment), it was quite powerful to hear him say, “We are not special simply because we are here. But because we are here, we have the opportunity to accomplish special things together.”

I had a conversation recently with a faculty member who has been at the school for close to 30 years, and says they can’t believe the positive difference he’s made in less than a year. Are there still specific concerns I have about Exeter? Absolutely. Some students obsess about grades and college, taking perverse pride in being overworked and overwhelmed, and I think that mentality is corrosive for the entire student body. Do I think the school is genuinely trying to support students and focus more on growth as individuals? Without a doubt.

Such a thoughtful post, @momof3nyc . Thanks!

I also think it’s more pervasive today for many young people to think along the lines of… It’s ok to take from someone else as long as they are wealthier than me, have more than I do, have better opportunities,etc. There is a real misalignment with moral values. Many parents teach that morals are fluid and the kids can make the rules as they go. So do the parents, for that matter.

When I was a kid we were taught that stealing was never fine. Even if you didn’t have something. You didn’t steal it. I have taught my own kids the same thing. My kid told me that kids leave Canada Goose jackets and laptops all over and everything else and nothing is ever stolen. I’m happy this is the case. It tells me the community has trust.

Honestly, I think that theft should be grounds for dismissal.

In terms of any school, I don’t know if it means the school has an issue or it means the school has a couple of kids with issues. Or both. It’s certainly something to consider.

Thank you @momof3nyc and @Garandman for the thoughts on Exeter and Andover. Very much appreciated.

For many of us (8th grade, 8th grade, or 10th grade repeats) looking at PA and PEA from outside, what are some of the things that make the pair more different from the rest of the BS peers and what are some of the bigger/smaller things that separate PA from PEA?

Hope for some great insights, whether general or personal. Thanks.

MODERATOR’S NOTE:
Great question, but one that should be a new thread, not hijacking this one. @Heading2HS

Back when Andover merged with Abbott Academy (girls school) in 1973 they chose to expand the student body from 840 (and Exeter was 800-820 I think). Just looked up Andover and it is 842 boarding and 308 day for a total of 1,150. Exeter is 883 boarding and 213 day for a total of 1,069.

A lot of old Andoverites [and Exonians] believed 800+ was big enough and that 1,100 is too damned big and that students gained nothing.

While Harkness may seem like a nice way to learn, keep in mind that in every class there are generally 2-4 “Harkness Warriors” who dominate the conversation so much that the other kids often wish they’d just shut up. Far from leading the conversation and moving it from student to student so everyone’s voice is heard, the teachers usually sit back and do nothing. Since a huge portion of your grade is based on class participation, prospective students should definitely consider what type of person they are and whether they will be comfortable fighting for air time every day in every class. As an aside, much of the class discussions in soft subjects (English, History, Religion) is highly politicized, so don’t think that taking a class like American History will prepare you for the SAT Subject Test on the same topic because you won’t learn any of the facts. In general, no Exeter classes prepare you for the Subject Tests. You have to study for them completely on your own.

I would love to get more insight on Exeter from students and parents. From everything we have seen and read, plus some more detailed discussions with current students, it seems like a first-rate place. I hear the comments about thefts and “Harkness warriors”, but I would love to get some other thoughts of those who know first-hand.

Ordinarily, I wouldn’t follow-up, but the recent appointment of Mr. Rawson (and the corresponding departure of the previous head) gives me pause. Did these changes notably affect day-to-day life at Exeter?

Also, I’m a bit confused by who the head of admissions at Exeter is. The website says John Hutchins and a couple of posts that I’ve read on CC in the past few weeks said the same. However, I thought it was William Leahy. If anyone can confirm this, that would be great.

@mynameiswhatever I’m happy to answer questions directly via pm. Our youngest of 4 will graduate PEA in June. We have seen many changes over our 10 years at PEA. Like all BS, it comes down to “fit” in our experience. Not a few random comments from folks about culture.
Not sure about the head of admission change. But day to day life at PEA is exactly what you make of it- just like anywhere. It is not impacted dramatically by leadership changes at the top. It comes down to what you do with your time and talent.

@vegas1 Would you mind sharing some of the changes you’ve seen in the past 10 years? Just curious…

@CaliMex here are a few of the things that have changed. In my opinion, most changes reflect a change in society more then they are Exeter specific.
Internet was turned off at a certain time every night previously
Dorm rooms had land lines
No amazon prime meant you had to plan for essential items needed more thoughtfullly
Saturday classes were held every weekend
Boys had formal dress code- tie in class
Kids were allowed free access to facilities with no adult supervision in past
Technology was brought into classrooms- every kid needed an iPad - and then removed from classrooms
Dorm Visitation policies have changed dramatically over years
Gender neutral dorms have been added
4 year seniors used to have special status at graduation
Tons of new facilities. The muddy soccer field our older daughter played on is now the beautiful field hockey field our youngest played on
Top notch new athletic and music buildings
Rise of Uber has allowed kids access off campus to a wider geography
Many dorms have been redone and upgraded WiFi added
Many new classes offered such as ethics of Silicon Valley -my youngest is enjoying
When our oldest did a term abroad in the Bahamas, he had no internet and could only call home once a week for a brief call.
These are just some off the top of my head. Overall my older kids think PEA has “gone soft” in many areas over the years. Not sure how much of this is perception vs reality.

@vegas1 great insights and specifics. You do have a unique perspective, with multiple kids. Thank you!

Fascinating, @vegas1

To quote Joseph Conrad, “The horror! The horror!” :slight_smile: