<p>@william95 Yea definitely. But I still hope I can get into either Penn or Stanford lol
@ZaZa94 You got in last year, pretty sure you will again this time!</p>
<p>@delinquente haha thanks for the encouragement but my essays were definitely much worse this time, the penn prompt was much less conducive to my strengths </p>
<p>Hey guys,</p>
<p>I applied to Upenn CAS but the Dean of Admission Eric J. Furda emailed me that I am eligible for LPS. So I ask him to forward my application to LPS. My decision will also be released on May 5. Do you guys have any idea about LPS vs CAS? </p>
<p>Ah! LPS is like an extension school which has classes in the evening and generally taught by people who are not full time faculty at College (SAS). It is mainly targeted towards non-traditional students, who are out of high school for more than 5 years and would like to work while attending a college. Though you get the same degree as SAS, you won’t actually be able to interact and participate in activities with kids from the other 4 undergrad schools. Plus, the major on your degree will somewhere state something like “Liberal Arts”, which will suggest employers that you didn’t actually attend the SAS.</p>
<p>You should have read up before sending out a confirmation email. I got a similar email but declined the offer since I would never want to be in the extension school. The reason UPenn is UPenn is because of its selectivity and the impressive network you build with fellow classmates. In no way I mean to demean the LPS program or the students enrolled in the program, but they’re surely no match to students in the SAS.</p>
<p>@MYOMOO – I am sure you must have made the right decision after an exhaustive research. Good Luck! 
Message me if you need any more help. </p>
<p>Hi @MYOMOO, I have a friend that’s at Penn via LPS. It’s pretty much the same exact thing as CAS (it’s an aspect of CAS, actually). LPS just gives you the option of going to Penn part-time if you need to work, and they offer some classes in the evening. However, CAS students take those classes too. You also get the same degree (from CAS). The division listed on your transcript will say LPS, but, honestly, the only difference I’ve seen between the two is the required writing seminar that all LPS students have to take.</p>
<p>@Banker92 sorry, but you’re mistaken. As someone who has had personal experience helping someone through the process, I learned a lot about Penn LPS. I even attended an event for them and spoke with the director. They are very clear on the fact that it is more of an admissions program, as opposed to a completely separate school. Also, the part about not interacting with people from other schools is just plain false. My boyfriend is 30 and took a break from school to work in IT and did very well professionally. He decided to get his undergrad degree a few years ago and started school. Since he was a transfer, Penn took a lot of his previous credits and he started this semester. The pre-reqs are offered during the evening, but, like I said, CAS students take those classes as well. Also, the majority of those classes are taught by full-time faculty, not adjuncts. In fact, my bf only takes two evening classes and has not been taught by an adjunct yet. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the evening classes are optional and you can choose to take classes during the day. Especially if something similar is not offered via LPS-specific classes. You can even get a fee reduction and be charged the cheaper price for classes you take during the day. But that goes for pre-reqs only because ALL of the classes required for your major are PENN CAS -DAY- CLASSES that are, obviously, taught by Penn professors and not adjuncts.</p>
<p>Back to the not interacting with other schools. Besides the fact that LPS classes are open to CAS and LPS students, and the fact that all major classes for LPS and CAS are taught during the day (together), LPS students are just as integrated into the campus as other students. You can still join clubs, do research, take classes at Wharton or any of the other schools, and participate in all aspects of campus life. If you like, you can live in the graduate dorms, although the BF chose to live off campus. He also got a fabulous work-study job at Wharton. It’s only his first semester, but after the two classes this semester, ALL of his classes will be day CAS. Just like any other Penn student.</p>
<p>Also, the information about the degree is just plain wrong. There is NO difference in your degree from a CAS student, and the degree makes no mention of LPS at all. The only discernible difference is on the transcript where it lists your division : A Wharton student’s transcript will say Wharton, CAS will say CAS, LPS will say LPS. That’s it. Pure and simple. Financial aid is also the same, in case you are wondering, and you have access to the full alumni network and any other resources that another Penn CAS student has access to, since CAS is your college. Also, I’ve been told directly by LPS alumni, the Penn admissions office and others affiliated with Penn that LPS students have the same success pursuing graduate study, internships, and other post-undergrad activity as every other Penn student. It is not some watered-down night school hiding under the Penn umbrella.</p>
<p>Sorry for the extremely long post, but there is clearly a lot of misinformation out there about this program and I just thought I’d clear the air. Also, @MYOMOO, I can give you my boyfriend’s email if you want to talk to him more since, as a Penn student, he will obviously know even more than I do. </p>
<p>@Banker92, I hope your essays and credentials are as hella-strong as a 20 year-old kid who didn’t have a gap, and has been working towards an Ivy-league education his whole life because that is exactly who you are in the applicant pool with. Since you get the same access, same degree and same opportunities as any other Penn student through LPS, to me, it makes sense that you would choose to be in the applicant pool where your application is the strongest; not chance yourself with a less than 10% admissions rate for even the BEST applicants. The odds are even worse if your’e applying to Wharton. The point is getting in. Because, once you’re in, you’re a Penn student. Vanity is not worth giving up a shot at having what is arguably considered one of the best educations in the world.</p>
<p>@PaintTheSilence – Thanks a lot for your post. It sure clarified a lot of my misunderstanding about the program . Apologies if I offended you in anyway but I never mentioned that students at LPS are inferior than the other 4 schools.</p>
<p>I was only trying to say what someone with not much knowledge about the program would conclude from Penn’s website. Reading the FAQs, it appeared that the morning classes are usually opened for the 4 undergrad schools, and then, if spaces permit, made available for LPS: “May I take daytime courses? Yes, if space is available in the course. Note that there is a tuition difference between daytime undergraduate and LPS evening courses”. My sole intention was to help someone with whatever knowledge I had. </p>
<p>As for the degree: even I said that the degree is the same as that of SAS. Anyway, now that we have someone who is more aware of the program than myself, please ignore my comments. </p>
<p>PS: The Arts & Sciences faculty is known as School of Arts & Sciences rather than college. :)</p>
<p>@Banker92
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<p>That sounds like calling someone inferior to me. Also, what you quoted from the website -only- applies to pre-requisite day courses that LPS also offers during the evening, and also only if the courses are the exact same. ALL major courses and courses that fall outside of the aforementioned criteria are taught during the day with other CAS students and by Penn professors.</p>
<p>LPS students also do not play second fiddle to CAS students. Since they are CAS students, they are not put on the back-burner until “spaces open up” and if “no other CAS student wants them first.” Space being available is the same thing as a regular student trying to take a class that’s full : probably not going to happen. That is another assumption you’ve made. Granted, by reading the website. </p>
<p>This is why it is always better to talk to someone directly involved before making any assumptions. That is why I suggested that @MYOMOO should talk to a Penn student instead of anonymous people on the internet speculating about a program of which they are not apart. I include myself in that sentiment, by the way.</p>
<p>P.S
No offense is taken.</p>
<p>P.P.S
<a href=“http://www.college.upenn.edu/”>http://www.college.upenn.edu/</a>
COLLEGE of Arts and Sciences, located within the SCHOOL of Arts and Sciences.</p>
<p>@PaintTheSilence Thank you very much for your information. I am 22 years old and actually had a gap year. I am from a community college. Thus, I guess I will have better chance of getting in LPS than CAS. Provided the fact that I got rejected from Cornell… I guess I will have to choose between Berkeley L&S and Penn LPS if I get in. I will see.</p>
<p>@banker92 Good luck man. I wish you will get in CAS.</p>
<p>@MYOMOO - Thanks and Good Luck to you too. :)</p>
<p>So apparently decisions are coming out May 5th?</p>
<p>@jkim3265 May 5th at 3 PM EST</p>
<p>Hey everyone! My name is Noah and I am an engineering student at Upenn. Good luck to everyone finding out soon! If you have any questions or want me to send you the contact info of any of my friends who were transfer students, don’t hesitate to reach out!</p>
<p>It may be a bit premature, but I also wanted to shamelessly advertise that I have a room in a big off campus house available for sublet (I’m going abroad). The room is significantly cheaper than any on campus housing, has way more amenities, and has an awesome community (the house has 13 bedrooms).</p>
<p>Feel free to reach out to me at any point and hope to see you all at Penn! (E-mail: <a href=“mailto:noahgo@seas.upenn.edu”>noahgo@seas.upenn.edu</a>)</p>
<p>@william95
@Juvenis
@PallidPallas
@wantwharton </p>
<p>lol would it be too late to send in my midterm report now? they never sent me a request
it took forever to complete it -_-</p>
<p>@randombookie we are only a week away from the release of decisions, so if they hadn’t contacted you already it probably means that that don’t need it. But I suppose it doesn’t hurt just to send it anyways just in case. However, I doubt it’ll influence their decision either way, if one hasn’t already been made.</p>
<p>@randombookie if you’re a junior transfer, the midyear report isn’t required so I wouldn’t fret if you’re a rising junior. </p>
<p>@doodlebug27
Isn’t Cornell know for engineering? Why would you transfer to Engineering in another school?</p>
<p>Hey I know it’s late but do you guys think you could chance me? I’m applying as a sophomore to Wharton (i know right, kill me), so I’ll probably have next to no chance of getting in, but it doesn’t hurt to apply, so here goes.</p>
<p>Applying from: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Current Major: Finance and Accounting (wanna be investment banker)
GPA: 4.0
HS GPA: 3.7
SAT: 2200 (700CR, 770MATH, 730Writing)
AP: Calc BC (5), Macroeconomics (5), Psychology (4), English Lang Comp (4), USHistory (4)
fulfill all prereqs for Wharton, took Micro first semester and all math classes necessary
Ethnicity: Asian-American (might hurt me)
ECs(college): Finance Club Corporate Recruitment Chair, Phi Eta Sigma National Honor Society, Social Chair of Breakdancing Club, Co-founder of consulting startup company on campus
ECs(HS): Foreign Language Program Director in China summer before college, Model UN President, Section Leader for Jazz Band and Marching Band, Head Office Assistant and Teacher Assistant at Chinese School (volunteer), server at high end Hibachi Steakhouse and Sushi Bar (paid)
two really good rec letters (one from professor, one from advisor)
On commonapp essay talked about all that Penn has to offer, it’s social, yet preprofessional vibe and why it would fit me, and how I’ve changed throughout my first year at college: used to be kind of goofy kid who didn’t take things that seriously, now I’m very motivated and have clear goals in mind. talked about why I wanted to transfer: didn’t badmouth old school, but actually praised it for allowing me to discover myself, but does not really offer great networking for investment banking that Penn would.
Supplement: praised Wharton for having such a great program, unparalleled networking, clubs that teach you a lot about your respective majors, motivated yet friendly students, future plans and classes I plan to take if admitted, etc). </p>
<p>I’m worried about my midterm report. I’m taking 5 classes this semester, and have 3 A’s and 2 B’s right now. Will those 2 B’s kill me? how much weight do they put on the midterm report? Thanks a lot, everyone, and best of luck to you all!</p>
<p>@syzheng2 (Almost) Everyone at Wharton has an interest (to some varying degree) in doing Investment Banking - if you conveyed how you would be different/add to the school, you should have a fairly good shot. I personally think, having gone through this already, that transfer admissions is really different in that they want to see how you would add to the current student body instead of comprising the student body. A 2200 and 4.0 first semester won’t hurt - as long as you show how YOU, syzheng2, are different from anything they have, you’ll get in. If you’re just another guy who’s looking for an academic switch-up because, well, because, then I don’t think you will. Wharton is super tricky, though, so you never know. </p>
<p>@ZaZa94 thanks for the input ZaZa94. So I guess the essays are the most important part of the application then, since they can show what kind of person you are outside of the classroom, am I right? I mentioned that I looked forward to volunteering and contributing to the West Philadelphia Tutoring Project that Penn runs in local schools, as it would allow me to do similar things that I did in China last summer (helping and improving the local community). But yeah, I see what you mean about showing what I can offer and how I’m different, and I wish I had emphasized that a little more. Oh well, wasn’t really expecting much anyway, considering Wharton takes only like 20 students, and many of them apply from other Ivies. </p>
<p>Zaza, are you currently in Wharton or Penn? What was your experience with the application process if you don’t mind me asking?</p>