<p>If we collectively want a society socioeconomically segregated by race, we may then get it.</p>
<p>I go back to the early court cases on segregated public schools in the United States for a reality check on these matters. One of the oldest cases was Roberts</a> v. City of Boston, 59 Mass. 198, 206 (1849), which was litigated while Horace Mann was in charge of education in the state of Massachusetts. The facts of the case were that a black man lived in a particular neighborhood, with white neighbors, but was not permitted to send his daughter to the neighborhood school. Rather, she had to go farther away to attend a school for black children only. This was actually a step backward from the era in which Benjamin</a> Banneker was able to attend a privately operated integrated school for brief period in his childhood. </p>
<p>The result of the disgusting Roberts case was cited in Plessy</a> v. Ferguson 163 U.S. 537 (1896) as support for the "separate but equal" doctrine. This has been the odious history of segregation in the United States since the beginning: people largely getting along and working and learning together in their private relations, if only they have freedom, but government regulations restricting who is free or who can become free, and even after the abolition of slavery Jim Crow regulations attempting to separate and oppress human beings who were getting along with one another. When people are free to make their own deals with their fellow human beings, they can advance economically and advance socially--it takes active government malfeasance to hold people down.</p>
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<p>Thats the very situation we have currently. And it is absolutely unacceptable. Something needs to be done to remedy it and AA is part of the solution.</p>
<p>I have been to every state in the United States, and in my observation, poverty is stuck in certain regions to a greater degree than it sticks with certain ethnic groups. To be sure, places with notorious histories of ethnic strife and government-mandated segregation tend to be poorer than places with a long history of equality and integration, so I'm all for integration and equality.</p>
<p>Here it is
Reason</a> Magazine - Legacies of Injustice</p>
<p>the thing about legacy is that there is financial incentive... and the fact that schools are bettered by legacy admissions through increased finances</p>
<p>Y A W N....................This article presumes there is some great advantage going to Harvard over Chicago or some other school. Not a proven assumption. There are spots at good schools for everyone.</p>
<p>Also, people of all races perform the same once at the schools, indicating that these admissions committees aren't as dumb as they are made out to being.</p>
<p>Additionally, an emphasis on a very diverse campus was vital to my college search, along with many of my friends. I go to a high school that is about 97% white. Seriously. Economically the school is more diverse, but when you talk about a book in lit class, and all you have is WASPs, and maybe a couple catholics, it isn't that enlightening.</p>
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Lot's of people can save tens of thousands of dollars a year if they went to Harvard instead of Chicago.</p>
<p>MODERATOR'S NOTE TO "A great article on affirmative action and legacies" THREAD: </p>
<p>Discussions of general college admission policies are more on-topic on the College Admissions Forum than on the College Search & Selection Forum, so the thread was moved to this forum. It was combined with the existing affirmative action FAQ thread by repeated participant requests that discussion of that issue not result in many, many threads all over CC. Now I'll recommend that participants who wish to discuss the issue read the linked article </p>
<p>Reason</a> Magazine - Legacies of Injustice </p>
<p>that started the merged thread and look up any other writings on the subject that would be of interest to readers who desire thoughtful discussion.</p>
<p>Does affirmative action help or hurt the chances of Asians (of all kinds) getting into an Ivy League-level school? By this I mean compared to average acceptance rates by non-race based statistics.</p>
<p>Just wondering, as I've heard conflicting viewpoints.</p>
<p>I've heard hurt because of the fact that Asians are heavily overrepresented in the admissions process.</p>
<p>it depends on what schools they apply to. If an asian applies to a school that lacks asians, then affirmative action will help (if the school wants diversity; most do)</p>
<p>at ivy league schools, its usually harder for asians to get in because they are compared with the numerous other high-achieving asian students.</p>
<p>Asians have a higher rate of admission to the Ivy League than any other race in America.</p>
<p>correlation, not causation. </p>
<p>And of course, it's tougher for us Asians unfortunately - I hate "negative" affirmative action.</p>
<p>No it isn't tougher. If you are Asian, due to your circumstances you are more likely to have the qualifications to apply to Ivy League schools.</p>
<p>what about like to regular state universities? also, i'm from a rural area if that counts for anything</p>
<p>hahaha asians getting benefitted from affirmative action.. thats funny.</p>
<p>Ephemeral2 is exactly right..
Bay's statement is .. arguable.</p>
<p>a lot of asians get into ivy leagues. but since there are just "too many" asians with superb stats and everything, it is harder for asians to get into ivy leagues. affirmative action usually does not help asians.</p>
<p>state universities.. i would guess it's equal chances for asians. unless of course, that school does lack asians like you'llsee.. said, then asians may have a better chance.</p>
<p>See, I'm Asian. And while I may have good grades and various extracurricular activities, my family is a far, far cry from the rich well-off Asian families in parts of California like Cupertino, Palo Alto, Fremont, San Jose, etc. I go to a pretty crappy high school (little to no competition) and have had to make due with what I've been given; nothing has been handed to me. Here, the majority of the students are Latino, with a large chunk of Blacks, Filipinos, and Pacific Islanders, sprinkled with some Whites and East Asians and I am certainly not better off then anyone else at this school. It is not fair that I have to be judged against those Asians in the competitive schools when I pretty much grew up in the same situation as the URMs affirmative action so seeks to help.</p>