<p>So, consider two people with equal stats applying for 3 Ivy league schools (say, Harvard, Stanford and Princeton:
both people have SAT 2200, good ECs and honors, both are validictorian
BUT one is Asian, and the other is Caucasian.</p>
<p>Which person would have better odds at being accepted?</p>
<p>Print</a> Story: Asians, not whites, hurt most by race-conscious admissions on Yahoo! News</p>
<p>Asians, not whites, hurt most by race-conscious admissions Wed Feb 20, 12:15 AM ET</p>
<p>By Peter Schmidt </p>
<p>The long-running debate over affirmative action in college admissions just got more complicated, thanks to a new study that challenges the common assumption that whites are hurt most when colleges take applicants' race and ethnicity into account.</p>
<p>The study, published by the University of California-Los Angeles Feb. 8 in the scholarly journal InterActions, suggests that it is mainly Asian-Americans not whites who are held to a higher standard when top colleges use affirmative action.</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>I heard a story told by a Jewish man who said his grandfather couldn’t get into Harvard because he was a Jewish man. Then came the civil rights movement, enlightenment and affirmative action. Now he still can’t get into Harvard because he’s a Jewish man...</p>
<p>I've read an article on a professional college counseling admissions website that asians have the disadvantage of being expected to excel more academically than other races when it is factored into admissions. Hence the chinese student with 2400 SAT is put on the same playing field has an African-American or Hispanic 2250 SAT or even less of course but that has to include the fact that these two individuals have similar ECs and GPAs. In fact, a professional admissions counselor quote, "She can get a hispanic into any of the ivies if they had a 2200 SAT and okay ECs, while an asian with a 2400 SAT and moderately {Above Average} ECs is guaranteed no safe school at an Ivy." It seems unfair but thats life in many ways. I think schools want a diverse student body and to create that, they have to accept people from a variety of socio-economic, racial, and cultural walks of life. By doing this, seats are in some ways limited per certain race. The easy comparison: Berkely and Harvard which has a larger asian student population? Is one better or worse in choosing their respective ways of accepting? I really don't know. But I have to say that if a student is truly qualified, they will probably be accepted. Qualified= Excellent GPA, SAT, Essay, Recommendation, ECs, and Interview. Notice how qualified shows nothing about your true personality beyond what you create :p. That's one facet of admissions I don't like; when they accept a person who has cheated on multiple occasions in high school. People who are morally inept should not be given the opportunity to attend college=they'll bring more harm than good to society. But hey, that's life. Work hard and reach for your dreams, let karma and fate take care of the rest.</p>
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I heard a story told by a Jewish man who said his grandfather couldn’t get into Harvard because he was a Jewish man. Then came the civil rights movement, enlightenment and affirmative action. Now he still can’t get into Harvard because he’s a Jewish man..
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<p>I love jewish humor :)</p>
<p>Whoever has the most interesting attributes.</p>
<p>MIT --- Made in Taiwan</p>
<p>UCLA -- University of Caucasians Lost Among Asians</p>
<p>UCR -- University of Chinese Refugees</p>
<p>UMBC -- U Must be Chinese</p>
<p>UCI -- University of Chinese Immigrants</p>
<p>'Nuff said. No wonder they're clamoring for affirmative action.</p>
<p>As far as I could tell, the study cited in OP did not look at how many of each race applied, were accepted, and chose to matriculate.</p>
<p>Sadly, I have heard tell that some non-Asian students are no longer interested in applying and/or attending certain universities because they are "too Asian." If this is true, then the results are skewed by self-selection, not by discrimination.</p>
<p>It would be the native icelandic guy...duh...</p>
<p>Or the guy with the 2450 SAT cured cancer. He's pretty tempting too.</p>
<p>Served: probably Caucasian in my experience.</p>
<p>OK there is a crazy amount of jewish students in harvard, like 48%. there is no way it is biased against jewish students.</p>
<p>MODERATOR'S NOTE TO "Asians, not whites, hurt most by race-conscious admissions" THREAD: </p>
<p>By repeated member request, I'll merge this yet another thread about affirmative action into the general FAQ thread on ethnic self-identification by college applicants. I'll note for the record that Peter Schmidt is an experienced journalist who has written a whole book about college admission practices, so the cited article </p>
<p>Print</a> Story: Asians, not whites, hurt most by race-conscious admissions on Yahoo! News </p>
<p>is probably worth a read.</p>
<p>Mulnella, I'm saying that the resumes of the two are exactly the same, only the race differs. So I'm asking about the odds in a particular case with a single variable. Also, that means that in this case, Bay's supposition that Asians are naturally more likely to have Ivy-League-level apps doesn't apply.</p>
<p>Lookingforwhat? ... I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Was the Icelandic native thing some sort of joke?</p>
<p>Thanks amb3r, but why do you say that? Is the average SAT among Asians extremely high in those 3 schools?</p>
<p>It might be a little fuzzy for Caucasians, but Serve, if it were an Asian and a black guy with those stats, then by God definitely the black guy. Even better if a black female.</p>
<p>While it is impossible to know for sure, it seems probable that admissions would choose the applicant whose race is less represented in the context of their "identical" applications. For example, if the applicants are identical and they are both intending to play lacrosse, then admissions might take the Asian applicant if the team is mostly White. Similarly, if they are both violinists and the orchestra is mostly Asian, perhaps they would take the White applicant. But this is purely conjecture on my part.</p>
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It might be a little fuzzy for Caucasians, but Serve, if it were an Asian and a black guy with those stats, then by God definitely the black guy. Even better if a black female.
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black females come a dime a dozen; they're looking for black males (well, males in general, at most schools-AA by gender, not race, in this case)...</p>
<p>Why would they care about race except for the stats they give the governemnt? I don't see any basketball teams reaching for asians. (jk...)</p>
<p>lookingforwhat?, Well, for one, I'm sure the Houston Rockets reached for Yao Ming.</p>
<p>Bay, that makes sense, I can see why Harvard would want diversity in its orchestra and sports teams, but most people aren't applying to be in something as selective as a sports team, and as far as I know, coaches/orchestra judges don't blink twice at affirmative action.</p>
<p>And I think black females with strong applications are more common than black males with strong applications.</p>
<p>Ok, I just got yelled at because apparently I don't understand affirmative action...this is what I thought/think. Yet after looking at colleges I see that most (top) colleges are about 42% white, 15% asian, 12%hispanic etc...which does not match up with the census. What am I missing?</p>
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<p>affirmative action (the desire to make public institutions more representative of the nation as a whole by promoting participation by underrepresented groups) Is this wrong?</p>
<p>Now the following is NOT wrong:
In the 2000 Census of Race Makeup of the United States:
Nonhispanic White: 69.1%
Asian Americans: 4.4%
Native Hawaiian: .14% (So to the OP...you are not a URM...most likely)</p>
<p>Now here's Columbia College's Stats:
College Search - Columbia University: Columbia College - At a Glance</p>
<p>Asian/Pacific Islander: 14% (that's 8% more then the US population...)
White/Nonhispanic: 42% (that's a whopping 27% under the US population...)</p>
<p>So...what am I missing?"</p>
<p>nothing. i think AA is ********.</p>