<p>PCB, you are a hoot! :)</p>
<p>Sorry to interrupt--</p>
<p>but just to get back on track for a second, there are definitely specific dorms for female engineering majors. I believe there's like 6 of them? not sure exactly, but I know Lewis is one of them. I am not an EG major, but I know some girls who are and they've confirmed this. Just thought I'd share!</p>
<p>I was a freshman engineer first semester, and I know women engineers in BP, Farley, Lewis, Lyons, Pangborn, PE, Walsh and McGlinn. I assume there are women engineers in the other ones as well, so I assume they don't put women engineers in certain dorms.</p>
<p>In response to some myths, the First Year of Studies has EVERY freshman on campus. Very often the fifth class will be an elective where many will take microeconomics or film, where if you INTEND on being an engineer you take EG 10111, intro to engineering. Unless you place out because of AP, every freshman takes a science class each semester. The engineers have to take Chem 10121 followed by a Physics class and Chem 10122 the next semester. So, they are all still placed in the First Year of Studies, where most of the "electives" are taken by engineering prereqs. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there are women engineer specific dorms.</p>
<p>To the people who are angry that Notre Dame does not group people based on their major, Notre Dame makes their dorms, in my opinion, the best experience of the University. There are, evidently, no frats on campus and Notre Dame makes the dorms become frats, with a tight-knit community, traditions and dorm pride. If they aren't picked randomly, they become stigmatized. I know at other schools, frats (dorms, for Notre Dame) are stigmatized for being engineering frats or asian frats or jock frats or anything like that. Notre Dame wants every dorm to be all inclusive, and if a freshman engineer woman wants to get into a dorm that she is excluded from, it seems counterintuitive. Also, there are a ton of resources for freshman engineers, men or women. Study sessions, resources in the learning center are consistently reminded to engineers in emails cluttering my inbox. That is why I think that there are no women engineer dorms, but for all I know they could make exceptions.</p>
<p>dd--I am surprised that my post upset you that much...I was not insulting ND...I was stating a fact regarding women and engineering at ND...and you call that being "hostile"???? Grow up...</p>
<p>I was simply saying that if a young woman who wants to major in engineering wants a support system around her, then she should go to Purdue. ND does not offer the same type of support...and I know of what I speak. A young woman at ND has to be independently determined and focused to get through the ND Eng. program.</p>
<p>So..you are a domer, have a domer and a would be domer, etc..etc..etc. Big deal. The question was about women and engineering at ND....obviously that went flying over your head....Maybe if you took off your ND ball cap..... :)</p>
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<p>That is an inflammatory statement, MamaSparrow... When you start talking about contributions made back to US society, you are talking about the very core of Notre Dame's mission--which is all about giving back.</p>
<p>How precisely is that particular comment "stating a fact about women and engineering at ND"? </p>
<p>If you're going to insult a university amidst its posting string, making jabs about its contributions to society and advising people to attend another one, you'd best expect a response, ma'am...</p>
<p>dd--</p>
<p>if all of that which you posted above is what you think I said...</p>
<p>then, </p>
<p>you need a review in the college of arts and letters...</p>
<p>because it is quite obvious you can't read...</p>
<p>"Cheer, cheer for old Notre Dame...."</p>
<p>As I have observed over the past several years, the purpose of this College Confidential forum is to provide information to parents, and prospective & current students about colleges, and on this particular site, Notre Dame. </p>
<p>This information can be of a positive and/or a negative nature. But the bottom line is that it is INFORMATION. </p>
<p>Good and bad information needs to be digested and interpreted by the recipient...</p>
<p>When only one side is presented, then that presents a skewered impression of the university and those who attend(ed) it.</p>
<p>A firmly established institution should welcome criticism, scrutiny, and debate....those are the factors that make it stronger.</p>
<p>To rebuff condusive discussion or discourse by hiding behind the shield of "I am an alumnus of ND" does the university a grave injustice.</p>
<p>It has been my (humble) experience that the biggest "cheerleaders" of any institution are the ones who barely made it through with passing grades.... </p>
<p>Those who have made the most significant contributions to the ND university ...(and, yes, dd, to society)...were those who only attended only a handful of ND football games....</p>
<p>Sparrow,
That is not true at all. You seem to be operating under the impression that those graduates who contributed the most to society were those who ignored the culture here. You also seem to be making a personal stab at dd because of her defense of this university, which is an insult to us all. You shout "grow up" and then throw mud. Women engineers have a terrific support system here, just as the male engineers do. We have student assistants available to us, professors who make themselves available any time, engineering get-togethers, study groups, etc. etc. etc. Housing is only one way to provide support, and since this university is so unified anyway (i.e. you probably know a lot of people in engineering if you are an engineer), ND doesn't really need it to make successful engineers, female or otherwise. Please stop insulting us on our boards. I have no doubt that Purdue has a great engineering program, but we have one too. Further, school spirit is not antithetical to success. If that were the case, I doubt you'd find many successful Domers. However, our successful graduates are spread throughout the world. School spirit unifies us, makes us stronger. It does not weaken us.</p>
<p>Well put, PCB. And Mamasparrow, you would have a VERY hard time finding students who only attended a handful of Notre Dame football games. And this is NOT a bad thing. There are many students here who balance work and play very well. I went to every single home football game this year, enjoyed them immensely (please note that I HATED football in high school), and still made the Dean's list and found the time to be involved in many other aspects of campus life. Just because someone embraces the whole Notre Dame culture doesn't mean they can't make great contributions to society. In fact, I would argue that the exact opposite isd true. For one, the support system here is probably better because of the school spirit associated with football. Because it's not just about football. It's about loving Notre Dame and what it stands for and becoming closer to your fellow students. If a woman engineer wants a good support system, Purdue may be an excellent choice. None of us are saying it isn't. But it's hard to beat the support offered by the Notre Dame family.</p>