<p>Shut up, all of you. Being an engineering/science/premed major does not, regardless of your opinion, make you inherently better than other people. Everyone has their own interests and their own goals, and the over competitiveness and the derision that stems from such comparisons is downright disgusting.</p>
<p>Calm down 'dude. It's all in good fun. As a matter of fact, it was my adviser who told me the old term "CoBA Cabana." We poke fun. It's a fact of life. Learn to take a joke, especially since the jokes are on a forum that couldn't possibly affect you.</p>
<p>I think Putsch is being unfair...just like anything else, your major is what you make of it. Just for those of you out there who are considering majors, I currently am thinking about a double major in physics and classics...and let me tell you, I do way more work for my Arts and Letters classes than for any of my science ones. Besides, I know engineers who enjoy being trashed one everyday that ends in "y". To say that all engineers or all science majors are better or do more work that A&L or business majors is ridiculous. You can do as much or as little as you want.</p>
<p>Yes, I think people know it's all in good fun, but the whole science/a&l war is getting a little old.</p>
<p>To be fair, I know plenty of A&L majors who work really hard (totally depends on the specific major and the individual person). However, there are some majors that are just more work. I suppose one can always do as much as they want no matter what their major is- but it is definitely harder to flunk out of some majors than it is others. Some simply require more of students who want to do well. Very few business majors can claim they work as hard as the archies do and no pre-professional student can say their classes are as hard as those of a biochem major. That doesn't mean everyone should switch to a more "hardcore" major (the world does, after all, need a little diversity and no one should do something they hate), but we should at least be able to blow off some steam while we are doing homework at 5 AM on a Sunday morning, looking forward to a week of back-to-back science tests and a paper to write while our business-major roommate has been fast asleep for hours after a hard day of watching movies and facebook...</p>
<p>I understand the relationship is a little rocky, but science and business majors need each other. Science and engineering are wonderful intellectual pusuits, but they would be little more than that if there were no business majors in the world to bring their advancements to market. The private industry would be a mess if there were no "manager" types to organize the corporate structure needed to make the mass production of invention efficient and profitable. Science would be utterly useless if there were no accountants to ensure that product's company was utilizing its financial resources in responsible ways...</p>
<p>Likewise, all the people skills in the world mean nothing without the technology and invention of science and engineering. </p>
<p>Thank God we have both!</p>
<p>ND Freak--if students are not grouped by intended major and everyone falls into First Year of Studies as freshmen, than why do Engineering intents have to take 2 semesters of Intro to Eng, and Calc, Chem and Physics classes that are tailored for Eng. intents? When I look at son's schedule from Fall and this semester, he may as well be part of the Eng. school. I wish First Year of Studies were as simple as it sounds, but it appears that if you have any inkling of majoring in Engineering, you are automatically grouped! And, once again, have been told by many, that it is easier to transfer out of Engineering into something else, than it is to start out in another concentration and try to transfer into Engineering. Any ideas about all of this? It seems to me that First Year of Studies is a broad concept that not only allows for freshmen to start out in an intended major, but offers those students the support (academically) to continue in that major should they so choose.</p>
<p>Irish hopeful--although son's intended major is Engineering, we are hopeful that he will consider the 5-year Eng/MBA program. While he has no interest in business, we know too well how valuable a business degree could help out an Engineer. And, while it is rather early in his college decisions, it is nice to know that ND does indeed offer this type of program.</p>
<p>Nick, you must oppose me at every turn, mustn't you?</p>
<p>yes...but not every turn, just the ones that are wrong.</p>
<p>I'm with you, Kevdude, all the way. Some of the most brilliant minds in the student body and among faculty ranks are in arts and letters!</p>
<p>If you want an all female engineering dorm, then go to PURDUE. </p>
<p>Notre Dame does not place female engineering majors together in a dorm...Purdue does. Purdue recognizes how important it is to have a support system....They truly want everyone to succeed...</p>
<p>ND has yet to learn this...</p>
<p>It's not about how many people wear your T-shirts and ball caps...It's about how many of your graduates make a contribution back to the US society....</p>
<p>Freshman Engineering Son was admitted to Purdue with an academic scholarship, but decided that it was just a little too large of a university for his tastes. However, I still agree with you about a support system for engineers, esp. female ones. And, by the way, we are hopeful that he will make a contribution to society, which is why he has chosen engineering at Notre Dame (even tho we have tried to talk him out of engineering!).</p>
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<p>If that is how you think of Notre Dame, then you are sorely off the mark.</p>
<p>I won't even dignify your remarks, Mama Sparrow, with any further comment.</p>
<p>As the old cliche goes, you obviously just don't get it.</p>
<p>I'm sure Purdue will be happy to take your son or daughter with open arms. And ND will somehow manage to survive, tee-shirts, ball caps and all....</p>
<p>Been a while since someone really ****ed me off on these boards, but you have succeeded.</p>
<p>As a proud Notre Dame alumna, and parent of a Domer and a Domer-to-be, I really have to wonder why you are on the board, if that is the view of ND that you have...</p>
<p>YEAH DD! Right on!</p>
<p>Go Irish!</p>
<p>MamaSparrow, you have to acknowledge the fact that Purdue is mainly an engineering school.</p>
<p>It is supposed to strongly focus on the unity of Purdue's engineering community.</p>
<p>In short, let us stop this argument.</p>
<p>It's not about the engineering school argument, ManUTD, it's the gratuitous slam on the university and what it stands for:</p>
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<p>That crossed a line... I find it hard to believe that anyone who would make a comment like that doesn't bear a tremendous degree of hostility towards the university, and I have a hard time understanding why they would choose to frequent the ND boards and insult it...</p>
<p>Making a contribution to society is ND's mission; one at which they succeed.</p>
<p>I am proud to call myself a Domer, and my kids as well...</p>
<p>And that is exactly why son is at ND--if it wasn't clear in above post! It is not about the engineering--he will not give up. But, I know that the influence professors and dorm life can give him will hopefully impact him to make a contribution to society. Try not to take the Mama Sparrow post too personally-to each his own, I suppose.</p>
<p>It's not about how many people wear your T-shirts and ball caps... it's what you're compensating for by carrying around a really big drum</p>
<p>Regarding female engineering dorms, I have never heard that myth. The only freshman girl engineer I know lives in McGlinn, so I doubt it's true.</p>
<p>Emma, don't break up the fight, we're having fun</p>