<p>Exactly-I want people to appreciate that good people don't get in everywhere and it is very important to have a broad list of schools from safe to reach.</p>
<p>I do understand in a misery-loves-company sort of way. It is just hard when you can't say you got into ANY programs to read about all these kids who got into 8 and now have to choose the right one. I realize that we were not completely smart in what she applied to, but that still doesn't make it any easier for her (or me) to read!!!</p>
<p>We already have the Acceptance threads, and the final decisions threads and so many well-meaning accepted somewhere folks who came on the rejection thread to share advice (which really was helpful)... so how often does she have to celebrate the success of others by feeling badly about herself. I think the number of auditionees/accepted thread is helpful, and fulfills much of the same info in a bit more anonymous way...</p>
<p>Again, just my thoughts</p>
<p>So after reading all of the posts, I feel a little mixed on the issue of "post results, or don't post the results." I do see the benefit (however, I feel my daughter was blessed with some wonderful results so I may not be objective about it all). If I were a junior, I would see that varying the school choices is paramount. CC posts advised that over and over in the past and my daughter took it to heart, and I believe it was one of the reasons why she experienced a successful audition year. So here it is... good idea or not...</p>
<p>Applied to: CMU, CCM, BoCo, Elon, HARTT, BW, Webster, Roosevelt (CCPA), Viterbo, Otterbien, Fullerton, NYU, Ithaca, Emerson</p>
<p>Results:</p>
<p>Accepted MT: BoCo, Elon, HARTT, BW, Webster, Viterbo, Fulleton (although no audition so it doesn't really fit)
Waitlisted: Roosevelt
Accepted Academically only: Otterbien
Rejected: CMU, CCM, Otterbien, NYU, Ithaca, Emerson
Final Decision: Webster</p>
<p>Final note... We did all of this from California homebase. Audition for all in person (at unifieds or school) with the exception of Ithaca where we sent a DVD.</p>
<p>Take it for what it's worth. I hope it's of some help because CC and all of you have been an immeasurable help to my family though this journey, and I wish everyone success.</p>
<p>There was another thread started as a central place to post information and insights for the h.s. classes of 2009 and 2010. Same purpose but different approach as this thread. I'll bump it up. Between the 2 threads, hopefully there will be some good guidance and helpful advice.</p>
<p>BTW, just wanted to say that some other members have PM/emailed me in the past, so I also chose to sort of speak out for those who choose to remain silent!</p>
<p>MichaleNKat, I have found the thread you bumped to be helpful, as so many folk on this site really do have such helpful information!!! Thanks!</p>
<p>This is the sort of information I found very helpful and so I am happy to post. </p>
<p>Applied to: CMU, PSU, Syracuse, Ithaca, Emerson, Point Park, Otterbein, University of Alabama (audition BA) Birmingham-Southern (non-audition BA), Webster and Millikin</p>
<p>Accepted: PSU, Syracuse, Emerson, UA and BSC
Rejected: Point Park, Otterbein, Ithaca, CMU
Cancelled auditions: Webster and Millikin after accepted to PSU.
Waitlist: none
Final: PSU!</p>
<p>She was accepted into her #2, #3 and #5 choices. She was rejected from a school that all her directors saw as a safety school for her, and had encouraged her away from. This is just one example of what MOST people experience...what you perceive is a safety audition program may not be at all! There is no way to figure out what your results will be. There is no safety school except a non-audition program. Even the most talented will face some rejections, but with a well-rounded list appropriate for you or your child, you will find a fit, and most certainly one you are very proud of and happy with.
These kids amaze me!</p>
<p>Sualabama...I am glad you posted because you are showing an example of what can happen......to be accepted at some of the top programs and be rejected at one that many would perceive as an "easier" (BUT NOT EASY) BFA program. I have seen this happen with many others. I had a student this year get into one of the programs most on this forum consider at the top "tier" and was rejected at several others, including some that may be considered a couple tiers below. So, like you say, NO audition based program is a safety and in fact this kid had BAs on his list and so should others.</p>
<p>I just wanted to add to any newbies that you must keep in mind when you are looking at these lists of acceptances and rejections that an acceptance also has to so with what the school is looking for. So even though a student may be very talented and academically sound they may not need their "type". This comes into play especially in a smaller school. I understand the reason for this thread but talent and academics are not the only reasons for acceptance and rejection.</p>
<p>Another really important point. BW made that very clear at their intro meeting by saying that not only were they looking for the best talent but that they wanted to put together a class of different types that would not compete against each other AND that they could cast from for the next 4 years. BW had a very good idea of what shows were planned and who they needed to flesh out their program.</p>
<p>The point that jacksdad and kimoki are making is true of ALL highly selective admissions processes....be it BFA in MT admissions or elite college admissions. In these situations there are more qualified students who meet their criteria for admission than they can take. First, obviously you must be qualified and meet their criteria. But after that, it does come down to building a class....and they want different types in the grouping (I don't believe all schools know what shows are planned at all but simply want a variety of kids in the class). This aspect is one you CANNOT control. So, if you are rejected, this may be the reason. </p>
<p>What one must look at is their OVERALL results and as long as they get into one or more programs, they will be fine (make sure to like every school on your list). A rejection at any one particular school on your list is not a testament to your qualifications. If you have an appropriate list for your skill set, you should be admitted some place. You can only attend one school. Having a choice is always nice. The overall success of being admitted to college is what counts and not a tally of how many you got into. If you do not get admitted to any college on your list, then you either don't currently have the requisite qualifications or else have not built an appropriate and balanced college list. Every student should end up with at least one acceptance if qualified and if they have an appropriate list.</p>
<p>Back to the point that jacksdad and kimoki bring up....if a program accepts 20 MT kids, for example, it doesn't mean necessarily that those 20 were the top 20 qualified on some ordered list of kids who applied. It means more like they considered a final narrowed pool of applicants (more than 20) and picked 20 of them to build the class of varied types. This same thing happens with the Ivy League. They don't just take the top SAT scores and GPA, etc. off a list, but rather consider anyone who has the qualifications in the ballpark and then build a class of kids. So, kids who have a 2400 SAT are passed over for some who have a 2200 because they are building a varied class of kids who all met the qualifications to get in.</p>
<p>Hope this helps someone else. Lists are not in any particular order.</p>
<p>Applied to: 16 schools - Boston Conservatory, Otterbein, Univ of the Arts, Penn State, Webster, Syracuse, SUNY Purchase, CMU, Univ of Michigan, USC, Evansville, NCSA, Elon, Miami, CCM, Florida State</p>
<p>Cancelled auditions: BoCo, Univ of Arts, Penn State, Webster, SUNY Purchase, USC, Evansville after accepted Elon and CCM. Cancelled Otterbein due to illness. Ended up auditioning for 8 schools.</p>
<p>Accepted: Syracuse, NCSA, Elon, Miami, CCM, Florida State</p>
<p>Waitlisted: Univ of Michigan</p>
<p>Rejected: CMU</p>
<p>Final: NCSA</p>
<p>Applied to 7 schools- desales, penn state, illinois wesleyan, ccm, roosevelt, columbia college chicago, ithaca</p>
<p>accepted: columbia college chicago
Accepted academically: penn state, desales
rejected: illinois wesleyan, roosevelt, ccm, ithaca</p>
<p>i am going to try again as a transfer next year</p>
<p>Applied and Auditioned:</p>
<p>UARTS
Point Park
NCARTS
Roosevelt
SUNY Purchase
Northern Illinois
Rutgers
RSAMD (Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama)
CCM </p>
<p>Accepted (all with merit awards):
UARTS
Point Park
Northern Illinois
Roosevelt</p>
<p>Waitlisted (won't know until June 1): RSAMD</p>
<p>Applied for ACTING--</p>
<p>Accepted: Point Park University, CCM
Rejected: Ithaca, Rutgers, BU, U Minn, CMU, Purchase
Wait Listed: Juilliard (they did not go to their wait list), NCSA (still waiting), Otterbein (declined)</p>
<p>My S had 3 "first choice" schools, and was waitlisted at 2 (Juilliard, NCSA), rejected at 1 (CMU)</p>
<p>After that, he liked CCM, where he accepted his offer of admission. Thus, he considers that one to have been #2 on his list, and is thrilled to be going there!</p>
<p>letsfigureitout,
Your post reminds me of something my kids both did as well and that I wish more kids would do. And that is that they did not have one single must have first choice dream school. Rather that had "most favorite" clump, "next favorites" and so on. I have been through this three times with my two girls....both for undergrad and now one for grad and each time they had a 2-3 favorites and not one single favorite. In all three processes, they were engaged in highly competitive admissions. In such scenarios, having ONE single "must have" dream school can be a set up for disappointment. Since they each had either 2-3 favorites (one kid had 3 favorites in her processes and one had 2), they each attended one of the favorites and not getting into the others was not a big disappointment. For that matter, they truly liked every school on their list. I also often see kids say that they have X or Y school on their list but do not really want to go there. Every school on the list should be a place the student is interested in attending. In any case, having a few favorites or "first choices" seems to be better than one single first choice. In such instances, there is a stronger likelihood that one may end up at a "first choice" (and of course this won't always happen, but in that case, they end up at schools they truly like since they made sure to like every school on their list).</p>
<p>This is especially important in the case where the "top" schools are ones where getting in is like "hitting the lottery"--even for the most talented. For my son, Juilliard was not even "in the mix" until he got a call-back. Only then did it seem reasonable to CONSIDER the possibility of going there at all. Likewise, CMU did not seem so much of a long shot as he had gotten wonderful feedback at the summer program and had maintained a relationship with one of the professors, who was very encouraging. Absent that, CMU would not have earned a ranking. </p>
<p>It is interesting that one school to which he applied asked students to WRITE DOWN their schools in order of preference. Others seemed to try to assess this during the interview. It is important for students to consider in advance how to answer these questions, or rather, how to get out of answering these questions in a nice, respectful way. This is not something we had anticipated, and was a real "turn-off."</p>
<p>My D answered that question by saying (basically) "I recognize that admissions to all of these schools are so highly competitive that I would be thrilled to be admitted to any of them."</p>
<p>Oh NMR what a great response. My S was so put off by the question that he left it blank-got rejected, too!</p>
<p>My D's college process (to the extent anyone finds the information useful):</p>
<p>Applied to: </p>
<p>BFA MT - Columbia College in Chicago (non-audition, safe school), Texas State University (audition at end of sophomore year), HARTT (University of Hartford), Webster, Otterbein, Ithaca, Emerson, College of Santa Fe, University of Miami, Sam Houston State (made her decision and canceled her on-campus audition), University of Oklahoma</p>
<p>BFA Acting - Rutgers, University of Oklahoma, University of Evansville</p>
<p>Auditions: All auditions were at Unified's in Chicago. Note 1: University of Oklahoma uses unified audition as a screening process as they require all students who they deem favorable at unifieds to make an on-campus audition This is true for both their MT and Acting program. My D did not initially apply to the University of Oklahoma, but was referred for an Acting audition at unifieds by the MT audition panel. It was a strange story and anyone who wants to know what happened, feel free to send me a pm. Note 2: My D came down with a terrible cold 2 days before going to Chicago and was sick as a dog the first two days of auditions. </p>
<p>Results:</p>
<p>Accepted BFA MT: Columbia College, College of Santa Fe, and University of Miami.</p>
<p>Accepted BFA Acting: University of Oklahoma</p>
<p>Accepted Academically only: Otterbein, Webster, Ithaca, Sam Houston State, University of Evansville, Texas State (see comment above)</p>
<p>Rejected: Otterbein, Ithaca, Emerson, HARTT, University of Evansville, University of Oklahoma (MT)</p>
<p>Final Decision: University of Oklahoma (BFA Acting)</p>
<p>In the interest of giving next year's applicants as much info as possible, I'm listing my D's stats:</p>
<p>FIRST OFF...she is a petite soprano ingenue (aka, a dime a dozen) with great academics, strong drama, and little dance training, going for BFA MT only</p>
<p>APPLIED: BoCo, CMU, U Mich, Shenandoah, Point Park, PSU, Ithaca, Emerson</p>
<p>DECLINED: CMU, Point Park, PSU, Ithaca (she was sick for these auditions)</p>
<p>ACCEPTED ACADEMICALLY ONLY: Point Park, PSU</p>
<p>WAITLISTED: U Mich, Emerson</p>
<p>ACCEPTED: BoCo, Shenandoah</p>
<p>We are thrilled about BoCo, as it was her first choice, but we should have had a more diverse list and we should have scheduled auditions earlier in the year so we could have rescheduled in the event of illness. Had she been well, there is no telling how this might have played out.</p>