Finding the right BFA Acting/Drama College

<p>Hi everyone,</p>

<p>This is my first post on CC. I am an incoming high school senior with a strong affinity towards an acting major. Eventually I plan on getting into film, as I have taken classes and auditioned multiple times at Mike Lemon Casting in Philadelphia. I have also done an independent film with some film student friends of mine (currently attending Syracuse, Emerson, UArts, and Temple) and enjoy acting for the camera more than anything else. </p>

<p>Some quick background for those of you who can hopefully lend me some advice/reccommendations. I am an honors/AP high school student with a fairly high GPA. My total SAT score was a 2000 (1310 core score, 12/12 on my essay), and I have a moderately long resume of leads in high school shows, as well as classes at reputable theaters and performing arts facilities. I am looking for BFA acting/drama program that accomplishes the following criteria: </p>

<p>First, that it is a BFA, though a flexible one that would allow me to minor in other areas of interest (poly sci, poly comm, general communications, public relations, marketing, business) to at least some extent. If it is a BFA program of national acclaim that may not support the latter options, like Juilliard, then I am still interested in it. </p>

<p>The next thing I’m looking for is strong integration between the acting and film departments. It is my hope to be around up and coming film students who are looking for actors in their student films. Also, integration between the communications department is a plus. Modern facilities are highly preferable.</p>

<p>I am not interested in schools that discourage acting in front of the camera (like the Hartt school in Hartford). The school of my preference (and most have this) should have study abroad programs either in London, NYC, or LA, and should present their students to casting agents by the end of their senior year through showcases. </p>

<p>I don’t totally object to schools that offer only a BA.</p>

<p>Location isn’t totally crucial for me; as long as the area is generally performance conducive, I am fine with it. I would prefer NYC, Boston, and L.A.</p>

<p>I have visited the following schools so far, and I will list them in the order that I rank them (in terms of fitting my needs):</p>

<li>Syracuse</li>
<li>Emerson</li>
<li>Carnegie-Mellon</li>
<li>Boston U</li>
<li>Hartt (not considering at this point)</li>
</ol>

<p>I’m sure some of you might be surprised to see CMU so low on the list, but they don’t offer study abroad in London, don’t let you perform until junior year, and make you dedicate your entire sophomore year to theater history, which I find trivial in an acting industry that demands fresh and cutting edge actors. This is not to say that it would not be an interesting program, but I don’t think it is for me. They also lack a film department.</p>

<p>I will be visiting NYU within the upcoming month.
I am also interested in UCLA and Northwestern, but am unable to actually visit the schools.</p>

<p>Based on everything you’ve read, here are my main questions…</p>

<p>What can anyone tell me about the following schools - i.e. am I looking in the right direction? I’ve been reading about these on the CC forums…</p>

<p>SUNY Purchase
Rutgers Mason-Gross
U of Evansville
Ithaca
Juilliard
Cornell
U of Michigan
U of Conn
Conn College
Otterbein
Muhlenberg
Tufts</p>

<p>maybe Yale? USC?</p>

<p>I’m wondering about my odds at getting into some of these schools, specifically the last two mentioned. </p>

<p>I really want to narrow the list down, save money on the audition process (for my parents’ sake), and start the application process to some of these schools!</p>

<p>Thanks for any/all feedback! I’ve been really stressed out about looking at the right schools - I don’t want to miss any!</p>

<p>(I moved this post into this forum from college search)</p>

<p>There's a school missing from your list; you may want to give Florida State University serious consideration. FSU has a top ranked Film School, - I've copied some recent press releases about the program below - an excellent BFA acting program, and a semester-long London Theatre program. Students in the BFA acting and MT programs are encouraged to audition for Film School productions. I can personally testify to the fact that the London Theatre program is a wonderful opportunity for students who are chosen to participate. My D participated in the program last fall. </p>

<p>DreamWorks Pictures has a brand new filmmaker on their lot, welcomed by Steven Spielberg himself. Recent Florida State University Film School graduate Will Bigham triumphed over 12,000 other entrants to win the highly competitive reality show, "On the Lot," a Fox network program produced by Spielberg and Mark Burnett.</p>

<p>After the competition, Spielberg greeted Bigham at the DreamWorks gates, and then walked him to his new office and a $1 million development deal.</p>

<p>"We're thrilled for Will," said Frank Patterson, dean of Florida State's highly acclaimed Film School. "We're not surprised that Will performed well in the competition, given that the show's format is nearly identical to the Film School's curriculum. While his training gave him an edge, his raw talent earned him the win. Will has the DNA of a great filmmaker. That he's a person with superb character, too, makes us all very proud."</p>

<p>After finishing a global search and receiving more than 12,000 submissions, "On the Lot" producers selected a group of talented filmmakers for the competition. The finalists, three of whom were graduates of FSU's Film School, were gathered in Hollywood and divided into teams to engage in a series of filmmaking exercises.</p>

<p>Every week, the filmmakers created short films from a genre chosen by the producers. They struggled with crew, actors, time constraints, budgets and all the usual difficulties of filmmaking to complete their projects. The finished films were then debuted in front of a live studio audience, and millions of viewers at home critically evaluated their creative work.</p>

<p>Judges included actress-author-screenwriter Carrie Fisher ("Star Wars," "Postcards From the Edge") and director-producers Brett Ratner ("Rush Hour 3," "X-Men 3"), Garry Marshall ("Georgia Rule," "Pretty Woman") and Jon Avnet ("Fried Green Tomatoes," "Risky Business"). But the filmmakers were ultimately judged by the harshest critics of all—the public.</p>

<p>In the end, Bigham stood victorious with short films like "Lucky Penny," "Glass Eye," "Nerve Endings," "Unplugged" and "The Yes Men" to his credit. With a studio development deal, Will Bigham now faces a much bigger challenge: impressing Steven Spielberg, again.</p>

<p>FSU Film School faculty have received two Academy Awards, one British Academy Award and 12 Academy Awards nominations for their creative work in the motion picture industry.
In 2004, the prestigious Directors Guild of America recognized the FSU Film School ahead of all other U.S. film programs for "its distinguished contribution to American culture through the world of film and television."
FSU Film students won more Student Oscars (2) and College Television Awards (5) in one year than any other film school. </p>

<p>For the fourth time in three years, a Student Academy Award has gone to a film written and directed by a graduate student from Florida State University's College of Motion Picture, Television and Recording Arts -- best known as The Film School. </p>

<p>At the 34th Annual Student Academy Awards ceremony on June 9 at the Samuel Goldwyn Theater in Beverly Hills, Calif., first prize in the Narrative Category went to "Rundown," a dark thriller created by FSU Film School student Patrick Alexander, 29, of Cincinnati. </p>

<p>In addition to his gold medal, the emerging filmmaker -- who will earn his Master of Fine Arts degree from FSU in August -- will take home the priceless benefits of having his winning film screened in front of industry bigwigs during Saturday's gala ceremony. </p>

<p>The Film School's longstanding winning tradition makes it look easy, but it's not. Each year, the fierce competition for Student Academy Awards draws hundreds of entries from dozens of larger film programs at public and private universities across North America. </p>

<p>"Rundown" -- a short film that unfolds in just less than 15 minutes -- tells the harrowing tale of a television news reporter who must cover the story of the hit-and-run crime she committed while driving to her debut as an anchorwoman. </p>

<p>Film School Dean Frank Patterson calls "Rundown" an entertaining psychological thriller that works on all fronts. </p>

<p>"It's a real nail-biter! Patrick and his team of student filmmakers pulled off a smart film that is both dramatically compelling and stylistically sophisticated," Patterson said. "That such a well-crafted film is the work of students is further evidence that the faculty at The Film School deliver a unique and high-quality film education." </p>

<p>Alexander conceived the idea for "Rundown" during a summer break from college in 2005 after visiting his brother, who worked for "ABC News Nightline" at the time. "I watched a live broadcast from both the control room and the studio and was fascinated by the drama and the stark contrast between the two locations," he said. </p>

<p>"The control room was alive with tension as people barked commands back and forth under a ticking clock, and the studio was equally dramatic but eerily quiet," Alexander said. "All the attention -- the lights and camera -- was focused on one man: Ted Koppel. I thought that if I could craft a unique story that placed my protagonist in this type of hot seat, I would have a dramatic narrative on my hands." </p>

<p>Apparently, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences agreed. </p>

<p>"The Student Academy Award is the one honor I dreamed about the most since entering film school," Alexander said. "The world of filmmaking is such a hard business to break into, and this award is definitely looked upon as a legitimate launch pad." </p>

<p>His role as "Rundown" director did hit a few bumps in the road, so to speak. </p>

<p>"We initially had a difficult time finding a news station that could accommodate our 12-hour shooting days," he said. "When the folks at FOX 49 WTLH in Tallahassee agreed to let us use their facilities, we faced a challenge: They didn't yet have a news set in place, so we had to construct one from scratch, delivering it to the station just in time for the shoot." </p>

<p>Alexander met that and other challenges with help from fellow FSU film students Bradley Hawkins (producer), Lucie Rouche (cinematographer) and Daniel Villa de Rey (editor). </p>

<p>The high point of making "Rundown" was the hit-and-run scene, Alexander said. "I wanted to keep the photography tight on Alison Gallaher (the lead actor), and I also wanted her reactions to be visceral. We mounted the camera on the car's hood and had Alison drive over a mound of sand bags. The force of the collision was real, and so were her reactions." </p>

<p>His fondest Film School memory involved an illustrious former FSU football star. </p>

<p>"I served as Burt Reynolds' teaching assistant when he taught at The Film School in the fall of 2006," he said. "We worked closely with one another, and I walked away with a deeper understanding of acting for the camera compared to acting in the theater." </p>

<p>Alexander credits "every ounce" of his success to FSU. "I entered the program as a writer, but will graduate with a detailed understanding of every position in the filmmaking process," he said. "This is the best place on the planet to learn the filmmaking craft." </p>

<p>FSU's winning tradition continues on the small screen as well. Its latest Student Academy Award comes on the heels of a 2007 College Television Award (Emmy), The Film School's 22nd such honor in 16 years.</p>

<p>Thanks for the information. My goal of shrinking the list seems to be backfiring, unfortunately, but this is an interesting one to consider.</p>

<p>Tufts
Muhlenberg
Conn College
Cornell
are not BFA programs, but BA programs.</p>

<p>Yale is also a BA program... they have a Drama studies major, but considering your attitute towards theatre history I do not think you would be interested. Also -- it is the graduate acting program that is well known, The BA program is not affiliated with the drama school. </p>

<p>I graduated from the BFA program at Syracuse. You are rght, they do have a good film program in VPA.. and a broadcasting program through the Newhouse School. There were lots of opportunities to audition for student films.</p>

<p>You might also want to look at NYU/ Tisch.</p>

<p>My interest was piqued by your statement that the second year of training at CMU was dedicated to theatre history... so, I looked on their website... While CMU students are working on Shakespeare, other classics, and verse, and take theatre history in the sophomore year... it is not a year of sitting down in a theatre class doing nothing but reading and talking about plays. Most of the most cutting edge, versatile actors are able to move between different styles of theatre and film... I do not think you would find your time wasted by studying these acting styles in college.... just my 2 cents ;) </p>

<p>Best of luck! :)</p>

<p>Thanks for the advice.
I've managed to narrow down my list to about 10 schools now, so I think I'm set.</p>

<p>My answer is very rushed....but ones I think you may wish to look at:
Syracuse
Emerson
Carnegie-Mellon
Boston U
NYU/Tisch
USC
Northwestern
Chapman
SUNY Purchase
Rutgers Mason-Gross
U of Evansville
Ithaca
U of Michigan
Conn College
Fordham</p>

<p>I think Yale and UCLA are going to be very reachy for you.</p>

<p>So would USC be less of a reach then UCLA?</p>

<p>I cannot tell you which schools are a reach, match, or safety as those terms are only valid in relation to someone's profile. I do not have your profile and I do not attempt "chances" or such evaluations on a message board and would need way more information than you have provided. </p>

<p>First of all USC and UCLA do not offer the same sort of a degree. </p>

<p>USC offers either a BA in Theater in Arts and Sciences, which is less performance based or a BFA in Acting in the School of Theater (by audition). </p>

<p>UCLA offers a BA in Theater (can specialize in MT with required audition end of 1st yr. or beginning of 2nd yr.). While the audition to get into the BA theater program is the main criteria for admission, academics are very important and must be in range. This is a BA program that combines liberal arts with pre-professional study. In the upper division, you can choose to specialize in either MT or Acting and must audition at the end of freshman year or at the beginning of sophomore year to get in, but can only audition for one, not both. While UCLA is a BA and not a BFA, it is very chancy in a similar vein to BFA programs in terms of admissions and has auditions for admissions. </p>

<p>For USC: 27% accepted to the university (not the program), Avg. GPA (unweighted) 3.9, mid SATs are V 620-710, M 640-730, combined 1260-1440, mid ACT 27-31, 84% of admitted students from top 10% of class, 94% from top 25%, 100% from top 50%.</p>

<p>For UCLA, 23% accepted to the university (not the program), Avg. GPA 4.25 (weighted), 47% from top 10% of HS class, 100% from top quarter. Requires 2 SAT Subject Tests, with no substitutions mid SATs V 570-690, M 610-720, Combined 1180-1410, avg. 1345. </p>

<p>While the stat range for UCLA is a teensy bit lower (easier) than for USC, the admit rate for UCLA is a teensy bit lower (more selective) than for USC, making them somewhat comparable BUT.....UCLA will be harder for out of state applicants, thus making it likely harder overall to get into that USC. Both schools are reachy (but not impossible reaches most likely for you) academically, but add in the audition aspect, it makes them more reachy still. However, everyone can have some reaches on their list. I have no idea your class rank, the rigor of courses you have taken in context of what is available to you at your HS, your unweighted GPA, the breakdown of your CR and M scores, the level of your extracurricular endeavors and achievements and then the entire artistic end of the audition/admissionis aspect. So, I gave you information. I cannot gear my help on the message board in an individualized way. I assist in that capacity as a college counselor off the forums.</p>

<p>Thank you very much, that answered a lot of questions and was extremely helpful.</p>

<p>One more question: </p>

<p>Is it feasible to apply to 15 different schools, or do I need to narrow the list down? Will there be overlap for auditions?</p>

<p>Hi
You should go back in the archives for DrJohn, fishbowlfreshman and thesbohemian postings. They all talk about various aspects of your questions. Remeber that BFA programs take up all your time (maybe 8-10 courses outside your major, with a very few exceptions (Michigan comes to mind). I certainly wouldn't count yourself out at any audition program. Schools emphasize again and again that if the theater program wants you, hoops will be jumped through to get you. (Again, Michigan comes to mind as one of the few that has an academic standard stated right up front that you must meet beffore you are even considered for theater.)</p>

<p>If you are doing auditions at a national site, I've been told 3-5 per day is doable. Check out the last link - on the last couple pages. A new freshman going to RU explains what she did (18 I think) and admitted it was too many, but didn't not want to take the chance of getting accepted somewhere!! As it turned out, she got accepted just about everywhere!! But who's to know???</p>

<p>If you are willing to go to De Paul (lots of people on the site have remarked that it has a reputation for too many cuts) - Columbia College has a great film department that they always advertise auditions. I'm just wondering if you's ever have time to do these based on what others have said about BFA class time and nightly commitments.</p>

<p>Not to ramble on, but my daughter met someone this summer who decided to specificaly go for a BA at Rutgers instead of a BFA because he wanted the flexibility to audition in NYC. He was cast at least once and the program allowed it. (Might have taken a semester off - not sure exactly how it was handled)</p>

<p>Many roads to take!!!!</p>

<p>Tips from a soon-to-be first year! </p>

<hr>

<p>Hello! Somebody recently sent me a message asking about tips, advice, where I decided, etc, so I replied and decided to post it here, since college confidential had helped me ENORMOUSLY last year. Enjoy:</p>

<p>Hello!
Wow! I can’t believe it was just last year that I was researching colleges to apply to –it seems so long ago! I’d be happy to give you some tips!
Around this time last year, I was researching on college confidential like crazy –especially because nobody at my school had a clue about where to start (neither the teachers nor the students). My parents were busy working and helping out the family, so, in terms of research, I was pretty much on my own. Your d should be thankful she has your help! Anyway, I ended up freaking out because I saw all those threads on “what to do if you don’t make it into ANY college for acting” so I applied to a whopping 18. But, even for theatre, that’s a LOT! –which meant a lot of time and money and stress for deadlines. I regret applying to that many, esp since I ended up getting into 13, so although it’s good to apply to many schools, just don’t do THAT many lol!
My suggestion: start EARLY! I was so busy trying to get all those applications in that I’d forget about scheduling auditions. Some of them allow you to schedule them before you actually submit the app, but others will NOT allow you to unless you have completed it and sent in the payment (I don’t remember which ones required what). It’s complicated to find out all the deadlines and requirements because they are all on different pages and applying to the theatre part is its own monster in and of itself!
I scheduled about 2 auditions a day, and I did all of them through the unifieds in LA and San Francisco except UCLA and USC. However, because of my late scheduling…well, let’s just say the theatre people snatched the dates up like hungry little kids gobbling down cookies! I was almost going to have to fly to NY for either Juilliard or NYU, esp since I didn’t want to send in a tape for NYU. Fortunately, through an enormous amount of stress and constant calling and emailing but mostly LUCK, I managed to pick up a date for both –but DON’T DO WHAT I DID! Also, I had to switch between the two cities. I drove to San Fran w/ my M, then flew back to LA for a morning audition (she drove back by car), then two days later I flew back to San Fran (again, she drove up), then did more auditions, then drove back down for more. Wow! That was hectic! Just remember: the early bird gets the worm! And people had given me this advice before I started and I listened, but you’ll be surprised how tough it gets w/ high school plays/rehearsals, activities, homewk, projects, etc, etc.
In terms of managing, I’d suggest making a chart/schedule. On mine, I put the date, time, address, requirements of the monologues (diff schools have diff requirements), if I needed to bring a check/money, etc. This helps a LOT! Also, it helps to be in the same hotel as the unified auditions are held or at least really close by. Have tons of resumes/headshots ready to go. Also, if your daughter has time, she can do walk-ins (for select schools only). I think in one day in San Fran I did 2 scheduled auditions and 3 walk-ins, and I later found out I got into all of them, so they’re not a waste of time –they do accept walk-in people into the school! Your d can choose to do more if she likes, but there’s no pressure if she doesn’t feel up to it.
In the end, I was accepted to: NYU, Rutgers Mason Gross School of the Arts, Boston U, UCLA, Southern Methodist U, Evansville (walk-in), USC, U Michigan, Otterbein (walk-in), UCSB (non-audition), UCSD (non-audition), U of Utah, and the NY School for Film and Television. I got a callback from Juilliard and was on the waiting list for DePaul. After much MUCH research and emails and more research, I decided to choose Rutgers: MGSA!!! There are many, many reasons I chose it, but a large part because of the rep and training and prestige. They’ve already made a name for themselves in the acting industry and they’re shooting up. Most people I asked told me that I should choose it. However, it is also a good fit for me, for what I personally want and need. Your d MUST choose one that is a good fit for HER –not anyone else but herself! Also, I’m not sure if your d is in musical theatre or straight, but I applied for straight theatre (Rutgers and some of the others don’t have musical theatre)
Keep looking up on college confidential (there are HUNDREDS of posts and links just waiting to be read), and tell her to research as well. You guys can copy and paste the articles/posts you find interesting or important and share w/ each other. And tell her to get started ASAP on picking which ones to choose to apply to and to START NOW!
Hope this helps,
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<p>I like Soozie's list and think FSU is a great choice, too. I would add that Fordham is also a BA program but with audition. The BA programs will be looking more closely at your academics, which are strong. Carefully look at the programs that have both BA and BFA programs (like Emerson) and consider what it means to be in one cohort rather than another. For your purposes, the BA at Emerson might be great. Good luck!</p>

<p>The advice that I've heard given to students who are primarily interested in screen acting is to not major in theatre/drama/acting at all, but instead major in film at a school where you can still take some acting classes. I know of two students who are doing just that at Vassar and Burlington College in Vermont. Most BFA programs will have an acting for the camera class senior year, but you should realize (if you don't already) that the vast majority of your time will be spent developing technique for the stage although some schools like Purchase, CMU, Juilliard, etc. obviously have a lot of grads who have made names for themselves as screen actors. You simply won't need all the stage technique and artistic independence you'll develop in a BFA - especially a conservatory - for screen acting. You will also most definitely spend a year studying theatre history at any accredited BFA or BA program I've heard of. I completely disagree that it is trivial, too. How are you going to be "fresh" and "cutting edge" if you don't have a good grasp on what came before? By accident?</p>

<p>So, in general, if you're looking to pare down your list, I think it might be a good idea to drop the conservatory programs like Purchase, Juilliard, CMU, Boston U, and Rutgers. Like I said, they all have a number of big screen stars, but the training will be primarily for the stage and you'd better be all about it if you take that path because you'll be spending an awful lot of time on it and you probably won't make it through to the end if every pore of your being isn't totally committed to it. However, if I've misread your intentions, a couple of other conservatory programs you might consider that share space with good film programs are NCSA and Cal Arts. You might also want to drop Evansville as they don't have a film school or a showcase and they do have a stronger emphasis on Theatre History, Period Styles, etc. than any other BFA I know of.</p>

<p>Don't get me wrong - I don't have a problem with theater (or theater history). I got my start doing theater, and was totally ignorant of film for many years. However, even though I find now that I prefer film, I still enjoy theater, and am very committed to it. I just don't think it's wise to pursue a program with no film preparation (I'm fine with even one year). If one is to make a livable career acting (I don't disillusion myself - I'm not in it to go to Hollywood), one needs to be able to transition between both aspects of the art (in my limited opinion).</p>

<p>You're right - theater history isn't trivial. That comment was immature and ignorant. I was just slightly shocked that CMU wouldn't let their actors audition for shows until junior year.</p>

<p>Also, thanks fishbowl - that was some really helpful guidance, and you kind of sparked an ephiphany for me.</p>

<p>I really just need to find good BA/BFA programs where i can also minor or double major in communications or poly sci (which is why i really like syracuse - best of both worlds). Conservatories most likely aren't what I'm looking for.</p>

<p>Follow up question: How does one major in film without any film experience?</p>

<p>And can anyone give me some more in depth information about the following schools?
Northwestern
Ithaca
U of Michigan
Conn College
Fordham</p>

<p>
[quote]
Follow up question: How does one major in film without any film experience?

[/quote]
It would probably be better to get the details off some of the film majors threads, but I think there are a lot of liberal arts college BA programs where you don't necessarily have to have prior experience. The person I know of at Vassar didn't have any. I don't think you declare a major there until sophomore year anyway. You might want to get ahold of Tarhunt and pick his brain a little if he is still around. He's apparently done a lot of on camera work. Yay for sparking ephiphanies! :)</p>

<p>Dear JMaslin,</p>

<p>Just to clarify...</p>

<p>I believe we spoke about this in August as well.</p>

<p>The Hartt School focuses on teaching acting for the stage. There is one Acting For The Camera course to prepare students for commercial work. We do not discourage acting for the camera, and many of our graduates have been successful in the film industry (recent leading roles include The Wedding Crashers and The Producers). The Hartt School's Actor Training and Musical Theatre programs offer senior showcases in NYC and LA for managers & casting agents. Also, Hartt’s Actor Training students spend 10 weeks of their junior year in England studying Shakespeare. Another unique aspect of Hartt's Theatre Division is that both the Actor Training and Musical Theatre majors participate in a senior year residency with Tony Award-Winning Regional Theatres: Hartford Stage Company (Actor Training students) and Goodspeed Musicals (Musical Theatre students).</p>

<p>Please contact me directly if you have any further questions about Hartt's program at 860.768.4148.</p>

<p>JMaslin,
The Tisch programs are all excellent, including study abroad (Drama, Film, Cinema Studies, etc.). S graduated from the Film program with a minor in Philosophy, and D is currently in Cinema Studies minoring in French/Dramatic Literature. S has been trying to bridge the gap between the departments of Film and Drama, because the departments are separate, and the students tend to interact with their peer group in these programs, but S has worked with many students in Drama both in films and in plays, so it's been a very rewarding experience on both sides. Even though he has graduated, he is still working with the students at Tisch in both film and theatre. If you have any specific questions about Tisch Film, Study Abroad, etc. you can send me a pm.</p>