Florida ban on classroom instruction on sexual orientation and gender identity has been expanded to all grades

I’m glad I knew about all of your “early” examples from my high school days having learned about them at school (continuing into the early 70s with Vietnam). I went to high school in the early 80s.

As I’ve gotten older I’ve come to realize how different one’s high school experience can be. H’s history classes in NC basically ended with, “The War for Northern Aggression,” though made an exception for Kitty Hawk and space/moon launches. According to him, they did very little even with the World Wars. He knew about Pearl Harbor, but not much else. They didn’t touch Korea or Vietnam and certainly didn’t cover protests about anything.

I guess that was all for parents to teach about.

I have a ton of respect for my high school now, probably more than when I graduated! Even then though, I was super prepared for college (not just history). H wasn’t and ended up with a 5th year to graduate. He’s not dumb. He just had a poor foundation.

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Just to clarify, I did not have great history education in high school (late 80s), and unfortunately, did not take a lot of American history in college. I learned the much more complete history with my kids, who all three took APUSH with three different but all excellent teachers. One kid is an history major, all are history buffs who want to share and debate everything. S24’s latest dinner table question is, “Which US President achieved the greatest things but also made the most terrible decisions?” Many contenders.

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It’s pretty variable. I had a great AP History teacher in high school in the 80s in NC. Really good public school overall. I was well prepared for college. Some of my classmates have gone on to be recognizable names in academia and elsewhere.

Can’t say that we had a GSA or anything, though, and it’s a shame. One boy killed himself and I think it was because he was gay and unsupported. Another classmate died a few years later due to AIDS/ HIV. Maybe a GSA and better sex education would’ve helped him too.

I’m glad that my kids here in NC have felt free to be who they are and felt supported by some of their teachers. There were some things I would have changed about their high school experiences but the school did a good job with sex education and supporting LGBTQ kids. Also had a fantastic history teacher.

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I had great US History teachers and content with one of the teachers having been a WWII vet and another a Vietnam War vet, but I totally missed European or World History due to moving to FL for my 10th grade year when it was covered in NY. In FL we had a mandatory class comparing Communism to Capitalism and it focused a lot on the Cold War. This was at my private school in FL, so might not have been common across the state.

At the time I didn’t feel I’d missed out on anything, but since then I’ve tried to fill in my gaps with travel to historical sites and various PBS or History Channel shows that focus on actual history vs the supernatural. I’ve found I enjoy walking on roads that were used over 2000 years ago (like in Jordan). I still need to get to Italy. It’s relatively near the top of my bucket list.

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Like these?

Washington, Jefferson: founders, but slaveholders.
Wilson: international diplomacy, but increased and institutionalized racial segregation in the national government.
Lyndon Johnson: got civil rights legislation passed, but increased entanglement in Vietnam conflict.

But would in depth study of any of the above be accused of “critical race theory” in Florida?

Clinton: budget surplus. But a scandal that would be hard to talk about in Florida classrooms.

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Yes. Yes, it would. YOu can only talk about the parts of history that don’t make those in power uncomfortable.

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Relevant, tangentially, to the discussion of whether these recent changes in state laws are intended to single out certain people for cruel treatment.

I often wonder if these people ever spend time in the real world outside of their very small social circles. Upthread, I spoke of a co-worker’s child who graduated and applied for her teaching job as a woman. Her students have always known her as a woman. They’d be quite confused as to why she was now dressing as a man (well, they probably wouldn’t as they are way more enlightened than the Texax Ag Commissioner). Wouldn’t this immediately bring up discussion of gender when most, if not all, of her students were unaware that she is trans?

Furthermore, most ag workers are working on a farm. Are women not allowed to wear overalls and work boots are do they have to wear skirts?

And who is ultimately in charge of enforcing this? Is there a genital check each morning to make sure your “biological gender” matches your outfit? People that equate clothes with gender seem to have a lot of hangups about fabric.

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The dress code is linked in that article. Women are allowed to wear pants. It seems to be aimed more towards office workers vs people in the field.

Note - not that I am agreeing with this policy. I was curious after reading your question.

Yes - but people identifying as women would not be permitted to wear dresses,

Employees are expected to comply with this dress code in a manner consistent with their biological gender.

specifically someone identifying as a woman would be required to not dress like any other business woman, but wear:

business attire includes a long-sleeved dress shirt, tie, and sport coat worn with trousers

Funny though, for men, sweatpants and pajamas apparently would not be offensive:

women’s attire: No sweatpants, pajamas, night gowns,

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Frankly - I don’t think anyone would object to the dress code, IF it they hadn’t gone the extra mile and thrown in blatant discrimination by weaving in biological gender conformance as the deciding criteria which list applies to a particular person.

Mostly, it’s aimed at conveniently being able to justify terminating/citing the “wrong kind of people” for “dress code violations”.

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I don’t disagree with anything you said, and as I said… I’m not in favor of the regulation. My response was in reply to @vwlizard question of

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The dress code at https://static.texastribune.org/media/files/1b355128e99f3d7ef0fc260db35f4df5/Dress%20Code%20and%20Grooming%20Policy.pdf does allow and encourage Western attire in business casual situations. Presumably, this means that both men and women can wear high heels.

What does a dress code in TX have to do with Florida classroom instruction policies?

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Both are part of a national movement to marginalize those in the LGBTQ+ community.

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This is not specifically germane to the subject under discussion, but I just read a Yahoo News Article stating the Gov. DeSantis is planning to replace the SAT and ACT, with a new test called the Classic Learning Test. He is also planning to replace all of the AP Subject Tests new tests developed for Florida students. Just some new info to consider.

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Good addition to the thread, thanks.

I was really hoping your post was a joke. Then I googled. Wow. I want to say that at some point people will recognize his departure from current American norms as something to be alarmed at, but I have been unpleasantly surprised on that front many times recently.

Like the creative editing of guideline medical documents used in Florida to dissuade young people from getting Covid-19 vaccination.

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DeSantis is a mess.

I can’t really follow this thread too closely bc it’s just sickening really.

It’s almost surreal with all his continued proposed changes to our state.

Backing away from thread before I get sick again. :woman_facepalming:t3:

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It’s really a very disturbing situation.

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“national movement” sounds very conspiracy theor-ish.

The ACLU is tracking 469 anti-LGBTQ bills in the U.S.

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