<p>Well it likes like there is a lot of confusion here, so i guess I will clarify. The symphony is very much proffesional. Firstly because the concertmaster is a curtis institute of music graduate, secondly because it is 99% adults. The camp is run by itzhak perlman
himself, so I guess it's sort of like taking private lessons. and I guess i mistyped the 1560, sorry. Hope that clears things up a bit. I really don't know why people question some of the stats on here, but they are all real. Anyways, hope that clears things up a bit for everyone!</p>
<p>Knowing what her race is would help a lot.</p>
<p>white + asian</p>
<p>super race = super player? </p>
<p>She'd better hope so.</p>
<p>huh? can you clarify please. Anyways I'd like to apologize for being harsh at the beginning. You're entitled to your opinion, i guess i should have realized that its not a real measurement of admission chances anyways.</p>
<p>Don't sweat it. You're friend still has a shot, but she really needs to do something other than music. Unless of course, she becomes a true prodigy, then she'd be in no matter what. </p>
<p>What I meant by super race was asian + white....worst combination to be when it comes to the college admissions process. More is expected out of both groups for reasons well beyond their control. To an admissions officer, being white means you're born into a supporting household, and being asian means you're born into a rigorous household bent on having the parents work and the children succeed. Since your friend is both, the expectations she has to meet are astronomical.</p>
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What I meant by super race was asian + white....worst combination to be when it comes to the college admissions process. More is expected out of both groups for reasons well beyond their control. To an admissions officer, being white means you're born into a supporting household, and being asian means you're born into a rigorous household bent on having the parents work and the children succeed. Since your friend is both, the expectations she has to meet are astronomical.
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<p>And admissions officers would just make assumptions like this, because? </p>
<p>Right, for the same reasons admissions officers that assume you're poor and disadvantaged because you're Hispanic or Black.</p>
<p>It's sad and pathetic the way race works in the admissions process.</p>
<p>Joey</p>
<p>yea i know. why is the admission process easier if one is, as alwas mentioned on this site, a URM? what ever that is.</p>
<p>Under Represented Minority (Blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans)</p>
<p>It's because the liberals like me have taken over the universities and we think it's important to repair centuries of oppresion by whites on those groups.</p>
<p>If enough people were were truly against affirmative action, all it would take is a million man march on Washington. And oh yeah, don't vote Hilary in '08. (if you don't like AA.)</p>
<p>Just thought I'd mention the spelling of professional, since you spell it wrong every time.</p>
<p>I really don't know a lot about american politics, all I know is i despised that self-consumed narcissistic place that is Hollywood. What is their infactuation with politics anyways? They are totally out of touch with the true society. Costantly bickering about how leftists have got it wrong, how the war is wrong. I don't agree with war, but democracy is the way to go. They say Iraq cannot convert to democracy just because it has been a certain way for a long time. Well the english civil had to start sometime, did the english people at that time give up just because they had had a monarchy for centuries? No. The same can go for the Iraqis. they deserve freedom and I know it will happen for them, they are already going out to vote!</p>
<p>Lets all give the insurgents the finger like the iraqis do</p>
<p>if you dont mind telling us, i would like to know the specific orchestra...
i don't see how a 17 year old can be in a professional (all professional orchestra get paid!) orchestra! thats just mind boggling - if you're in a professional orchestra then 1) you certainly are a violin god and a full-time musician , 2) you definately have no time for studies, 3) you are already world-reknowned cuz you're only 17...</p>
<p>now, assuming that those three are true...um... can you send me an autograph?</p>
<p>she told me they have one concert per month, eight masters series or something, and bradenburg concertos, turn of the centuries and other series. She has to practice a lot, working past midnight sometimes, but she has two weeks to practice music, so she practices about 3-4 hours everyday. It's not really full time cause the symphony has lots of smaller series that are for core(principles) musicians only such as wedding receptions that she doesn't play in. But the bigger concerts that people dress formally for are at a really beautiful auditorium. And yes she gets paid. She is only sectional, so I think it is around 30 dollars an hour, around $500 for every concert. Any ways, russian composer, there are others around the world in symphonies. I bet you are a good musician too, maybe less committment, less love of it at the beginning? I mean it does take a lot of determination to continue a the violin for 12 long years</p>
<p>I think people tend to overestimate the quality of musicians applying to Harvard. It certainly doesn't draw hordes of "gods," as somebody said. If it did, it would have better ensembles than conservatories. If you can show that your musical pursuits-- or artistic, athletic, theatrical, research, or whatever-- are high-level, passionate, and reflective of your intellect, AND indicate that you could contribute to the Harvard community, than it will help you.
Your friend certainly works hard. Good luck to her.</p>
<p>p.s. ccm does NOT belong in the same category as Juilliard and Curtis.
And teenagers play in professional orchestras fairly often. I have several friends who do, and all of them are excellent students academically, too.</p>
<p>what is ccm?
Have your friends made it into Harvard, if so, or even if not would you mind posting their stats and yours as well? Also, my friend is considering Curtis, McGill, and Julliard.</p>
<p>she has auditioned.</p>
<p>Is she applying to the double degree with NEC? I did, but though NEC has already unofficially taken me, I really don't expect to get in to the joint program.
CCM is the College-Conservatory of Music of the University of Cincinnatti.
One friend (an ok violinist, plays difficult music but not in a distinguished way) plays in a professional (regional) orchestra. He applied EA to Harvard; I haven't yet heard whether or not he got in.
I applied EA to Yale and was deferred. That's ok with me, though, because I've pretty much decided I'm going to Indiana, anyway. Much more and better music.
Good luck!</p>
<p>Can you post your stats fiddlefrog? I 'm assuming you're a violinist too from your name. I think I read something about you in a ea musicians thread. Anyways, in regards to the CCM, I don't know what that is and how it relates to what I posted. anyways, when I said the concertmaster is a curtis graduate, i meant THE curtis institute of music in philadelphia. In fact he has even been a soloist with the philadelphia orchestra itself( just in case this was what you referred to. I don't know what NEC is, so i really can't answer the question. Goodluck to you and your friend though. Hope you get accepted at Yale in April.=)</p>