For the high schoolers: admission tips from Rapelye

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<p>The "inside scoop" on the Princeton admissions process was given at a Reunions talk hosted by Jane Rapelye (Dean of Admissions) and others. As a disclaimer, the information they "revealed" probably won't be of <em>much</em> use to prospective Princeton applicants, but it should be of some interest to anyone planning on applying.</p>

<p>Bloggers for The Daily Princetonian's "The Prox" took note, given here:</p>

<p>The</a> Prox: Secret Formulas for Admission</p>

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<p>Secret Formulas for Admission</p>

<p>Dean of Admission Janet Rapelye promised to share with alumni "everything you wanted to know about applying for college but were afraid to ask," according to the Reunions schedule.</p>

<p>In case you wanted to go but missed it, don’t worry, Rapelye didn’t actually reveal many secrets about how to get into Princeton. As I’ve discovered by going to my share of these discussions, the description normally leads one to expect that they will learn “everything they wanted to know,” only to find out after spending an hour at the talk that “there is no secret formula.” Drat. All I wanted to know was how to get in! If you weren't going to tell me, it's just mean to get my hopes up like that.</p>

<p>Though Rapelye hewed pretty closely to the “no secret formula” line, I managed to glean a few suggestions from the discussion for you to put in your book of secret formulas.</p>

<p>Anita Harris ’73, chair of the Alumni Council Princeton Schools Committee, delivered an informative address on the interview process. Some tips for the prospective interviewee, based on Harris’ experience, include:</p>

<p>-Make sure your clothing isn’t too revealing. “Don’t think it's necessary to display all your assets,” Harris said. “The only thing we want to see in your interview is your mind.”</p>

<p>-Don't let your itches get the better of you. “Do not scratch in inappropriate places,” Harris advised. “No matter how uncomfortable you may be – wait. Trust me, I know it’s not comfortable, but that applicant did not get in.”</p>

<p>-Don’t sing for your interviewer. Based on an experience with an aspiring opera singer, Harris said that “it can make the interviewer quite uncomfortable, especially if your interviewer is in an office.”</p>

<p>-Get a more formal e-mail address for your interview correspondence. Harris mentioned “shoppingcrazygirl” and “laziestguyaround” as bad choices of monikers.</p>

<p>-Harris is bothered by interviewees who chew gum.</p>

<p>-Grammar is important for Harris. “Especially if you are telling me you got an 800 on the grammar section, do not say you are extremely unique, very unique, the most unique. Once you are unique, that’s it.”</p>

<p>-Last, “don’t talk about how much you hate your mom.” Harris has apparently been through a few too many of these sessions for someone who isn’t a therapist.</p>

<p>Rapelye also revealed a few interesting tidbits in response to questions:</p>

<p>-A high school freshman from Lincoln, Neb., who was a pretty hard-hitting questioner, pressed Rapelye to abandon her “no secret formula” stance and admit that “the most important thing is your high school transcript.” “Every college and university is going to evaluate first your transcript,” Rapelye said.</p>

<p>-Rapelye detests college admissions camps. When an alumnus asked about hiring “professional education coaches,” she gasped loudly before replying, “I hope these kids aren’t doing these admissions camps; I’m really not a big fan of these camps at all. I think that most of you could just sit down right now and end up writing a halfway decent essay.”</p>

<p>-Rapelye is also apparently not a big fan of fancy community service projects, unless, of course, you actually want to do the service. “The New York Times just ran the most appalling article about students going all over the world to do community service. Some people ask how much community service does Princeton require and the answer is none,” Rapelye said, acknowledging that she “know[s] speaking out against community service is like speaking out against social security,” but it just doesn’t help your admissions chances as much as you might have thought.</p>

<p>-If possible, try to be a legacy applicant. Legacy candidates fared better in this year’s admissions pool. This year, 42 percent of legacies were admitted, while numbers from previous years have been in the mid-30s range.</p>

<p>-If you’re an international student, pursue the International Baccalaureate diploma. “If the student has the opportunity to do the IB diploma, we really value the diploma,” Rapelye advised.</p>

<p>-And finally, Princeton isn’t going to get rid of the SAT anytime soon. She’s “a big fan of schools making SATs optional,” but Princeton “finds the SAT a valuable tool.” “It measures critical reading and quantitative reasoning quite well,” Rapelye said.</p>

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<p>I definitely found this very useful - the interview section in particular. Thank you very much!</p>

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<p>-If possible, try to be a legacy applicant. Legacy candidates fared better in this year’s admissions pool. This year, 42 percent of legacies were admitted, while numbers from previous years have been in the mid-30s range.</p>

<p>Yeah that's really possible to control.</p>

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<p>Maybe soon we'll see some shady arrangements where Princeton alumni legally adopt prospective Princeton applicants for a hefty fee? :)</p>

<p>Also, college admissions camps? Does this mean there are programs where you go for some weeks to a camp for getting into college? I had no idea something like that existed.</p>

<p>I'm glad they do what they can to limit the effects of community service. I know far, far too few people who are actually interested in the community service projects we do. At first I wondered how they differentiated between the ones students actually wanted to do and the ones they didn't, but I suppose that is revealed pretty well in the letters of recommendation, essays, and the interview, not to mention how much like a laundry list the community service section might look. At least that's how it probably worked out in my case.</p>

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<p>
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-If possible, try to be a legacy applicant.

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"Try"? "If possible"? Not only is that the worst wording ever, it's not even advice. Honestly, it's enough to make one's credibility plummet.</p>

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<p>The person who wrote the Prince post has a very dry sense of humor. The ridiculous wording was intentional.</p>

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<p>"If you’re an international student, pursue the International Baccalaureate diploma. “If the student has the opportunity to do the IB diploma, we really value the diploma,” Rapelye advised."</p>

<p>What if you're a US citizen who has the diploma?</p>

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<p>^ exactly, is it saying that IB is valued only when espoused to an international student?</p>

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<p>Of course not...</p>

<p>The writer probably assumed that the IB diploma is available only to international students, but notice how Rapelye's wording doesn't make a distinction between international and domestic earners of the diploma.</p>

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<p>"Maybe soon we'll see some shady arrangements where Princeton alumni legally adopt prospective Princeton applicants for a hefty fee?"
Will Princeton (and other colleges) views adopted children in the same way? LOL!!!</p>

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<p>Ad- Seeking Princeton Alum to adopt High School Junior Immediately. Willing to give up all parental rights. You also must pay for Princeton tutition.</p>

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<p>Hahahahahahaha! That is so funny!!!!! But seriously, will colleges view adopted children in the same way? This is such an intriguing question for me. Not that I will do it, but I just wanna know...</p>

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<p>Under the law of every state, legally adopted children stand in the same shoes as a natural child. I can't imagine a college treating them otherwise. Also, while I have not looked at even close to every college app, I do not recall seeing a question regarding adoption. They just ask if you have relatives who go or went to the school.</p>