<p>The reason that non-Greeks care are twofold. First, some people here at one time considered or are considering going Greek, and would like to know what exactly is in store for them, should they choose to follow through. This is particularly relevant because of the second issue, which is consent. You can claim that by pledging an individual has given you consent to haze them. This though, is incorrect for two reasons. First, most national houses have rules against it, as do the universities. Thus, most reasonably expect it is more myth than reality. And second, if coercive physical pressure is applied, and the pledge is forced to continue even if withdrawing consent, then you are basically torturing somebody when you have no authority to do so. Thus, the second issue can be summed up as concern for the rights and well being of those misinformed individuals who went Greek, but did not expect or agree to be tortured.</p>
<p>I agree with gprime.</p>
<p>Also, as a Greek, I care what other Greeks do, because it reflects badley on ALL Greeks. I hate getting funny looks or suprised "YOU joined a GREEK" from people who think all Greeks are the same, and part of that sameness involves hazing. </p>
<p>Also, I hate that "it creates brotherhood" argument. We have some pretty incredable siblinghood at my chapters, if I do say so myself, and we don't need hazing to make it happen. We prove to our pledges that we will love and trust them, and that's enough.</p>
<p>I has threatened with razing in my university (I live in Europe, not US), as there’s no Greek system here, some jerks try to pickl on freshman for hazing. I first reacted politely but firmly, then some a*holes from Sports Association keep harassing me, because I was “the only who hasn’t been through the fun” (actually, majority of major’s class - we apply to major upon entry here - never went through the hazing, but most didn’t mind to wear a distinctive sign of freshman that was a litte bit humiliating for the first 3 weeks of classes).</p>
<p>I had publicy refused to wear the ‘freshman symbol’ or whatsoever, and said I’d never do it because it’s an abuse that self-reply each year (as the sophomores frown up and bully the freshmen with requirments to wear detrimental sings - pins, coats, ties etc., carry the kegs for the parties, dancing on the table so others can make fun and so on).</p>
<p>When two or three stupid ppl started saying that I’d better to watch myself when walking alone in the campus, I filled a formal complaint through the anti-hazing hotline. The office of Students Dean stepped in, and then they went down to my specific college, where its director was required to crack down on hazing. The a*holes were given a notice, and were kept under monitoring in case they made anything in parties, happy hours and that. As they were members of Students Sports (e.g. Party) council, they had to step back in some of their previous informal (but highly valued by heavy-partying girls) roles as major party coordinator.</p>
<p>They got what they deserved, barely graduated with horrendous GPA and 2 extra years, and I became valedictorian. I made plenty of friends and got respected, one of those people were almost arrested while doing an internship in The Netherlands for being in possession of speed and ecstasy. In my college, an I dont want is now enough to have stupid people with lot of muscles but no brain of harassing freshman. They know things can get serious.</p>
<p>can’t handle third degree burns?</p>
<p>heh, pussies.</p>
<p>“Also, I hate that “it creates brotherhood” argument. We have some pretty incredable siblinghood at my chapters, if I do say so myself, and we don’t need hazing to make it happen. We prove to our pledges that we will love and trust them, and that’s enough.”</p>
<p>So the reason it’s called a brotherhood is because it should be as close as family. However because you haven’t spent the past 20 years living with these guys, the process needs to be accelerated a little. Now imagine that you are sitting on a plane and talk to the guy sitting next to you for awhile. You probably get off the plane and never even think of that guy again right? Instead, what if you’re sitting next to the guy, and the plane crashes? I’m gonna bet that you end up tighter with the guy sitting next to you as the plane goes down. Pledging is just a series of plane crashes. Let’s hear about your better way of creating brotherhood that doesnt involve hazing. and then i’ll laugh at how crappy your brotherhood really is.</p>
<p>I love when old threads are revived from the graveyard of walking pixels.</p>
<p>At my former-former college a kid died from hazing, they had drink gallons and gallons of water, until he started vomiting, and then he kept drinking the water even after that. They said he ended up “drowning” himself.</p>
<p>My school, being so caring, donated a dead tree, a slab of copper and a rock in his honor.</p>
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<p>The greek system is soo weird. Alien archaeologists in the future are going to dig up fraternity paddles and photographs of bros getting branded on former college campuses and wonder what the h.</p>
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<p>my third degree burns are third degree burns of brotherhood</p>
<p>what’s that? someone left a hot pan in the refrigerator on accident? enjoy your non-brotherly inferior third degree burns.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t brag about needing to contrive situations in order to make friends . . .</p>
<p>It really does depend on where you join. I am currently in a business fraternity that is a lot more focused on creating a group of like-minded people who enjoy spending time with each other, even outside of events. We also do a lot events and community work around campus and our town, and since all of us have similar majors and thus similar classes, we do a lot of studying and mentoring together. It has been a great experience, and the fact that we have a large group together allows us to use our talents and networks to not only throw parties and events but also invite local business owners and even celebrities to share their wisdom with us. </p>
<p>As far as hazing, although there is some, it is kept to a minimum and you are allowed to opt out with no penalties or hurt feelings. We also do not haze our pledges, so it will not prevent you from joining the fraternity. Plus, most of the hazing is not just pointless beatings and embarrassments, but involves learning the history and the creed of the fraternity and our chapter.</p>
<p>I’m not against hazing but</p>
<p>1) it shouldn’t be the focus of the frat, that’s dumb</p>
<p>2) it shouldn’t involve third-degree burns, branding, or anything like that</p>