<p>how do u guys quote people like that?</p>
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<p>"$30 million for a state government is not that much. $10,000 for someone who doesn’t have much money to begin with is a whole lot.
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<p>Your logic is flawed and funny. I can afford to take out a 10k loan and pay it back slowly over time a lot better than Michigan can afford to lose $30 mil.</p>
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<p>Dunno about Michigan, but California has a $10 billion prison budget. $30 million out of that is pennies.</p>
<p>Michigan is certainly not California.</p>
<p>Isn’t California also having to close hundreds of state parks because they can’t afford them anymore? I wonder what else they’re cutting that didn’t manage to make news all the way over here.</p>
<p>I think we’re getting off topic. Anyway, it wouldn’t make sense for any state to make college free now with the recession and budget crises.</p>
<p>So if your idea is completely infeasible and you didn’t intend for us to point that out, what was your point?</p>
<p>Completely infeasible at the present time.</p>
<p>California is in horrifying debt. I’d rather not use them as a model of how to run a state.</p>
<p>protip: their residents demand more and more government-paid services yet make it nearly impossible for taxes to be raised in order to support it.</p>
<p>Free? what is this free you speak of? Why should it be? Do you know how much it costs to run a school?</p>
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<p>It’s more a structural issue in the state political system than anything. There’s a will and a way to fix the problems, but nothing can get done without an overwhelming majority, which the Democrats don’t quite have.</p>
<p>It’s a good and bad thing. Obviously if the Dems had a majority then they could “get stuff done.” But that’s only good if they’re watching out for EVERYONE, not just their voters. Which, as every politician has proven, isn’t the case. Hell, they don’t even care for their voters half the time, just their lobbyists and backers.</p>
<p>The problem is that 2/3 law for raising taxes. Having one party get a supermajority (especially in Congress) isn’t good for a republic, because it essentially turns it into a one-party system.</p>
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<p>Wow, just wow. Thank goodness the whole world isn’t like this.</p>
<p>^ hmm, I can’t think of anywhere college education is a right. You either have to pay for it, or earn it by getting certain grades/test scores in countries where education is “free” (meaning select few go to university if they’re chosen by the govt or school system).</p>
<p>The term “right” has been thoroughly distorted, it seems to me. It is literally impossible, at least under the traditional definition, to have a right to education at any level. These things are called “goods”, right?</p>
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<p>I take it you advocate violence to solve complex social problems. What makes the trigger of a gun so appealing to you? Why must for some to benefit, others must suffer?</p>
<p>I’d say that anyone who’s qualified for a college education has the right to one.</p>
<p>You can say whatever you want, but that doesn’t make it so.</p>
<p>First, define “right”.</p>
<p>Second, tell me if a group of individuals, government being non-existent, have a right to an education, along with all things being necessary to provide that education (namely, labor).</p>
<p>Finally, tell me, if a group of citizens does not have such a right, then how does a governmental institution, which derives its authority from its citizens, have such a right.</p>
<p>If you manage a way through that, try universalizing the right to an education. </p>
<p>If you don’t see any contradictions in that, tell me how one individual’s right to an education does not violate another individual’s (the individual responsible for providing the education) self ownership and and property rights.</p>
<p>I am very liberal, but I don’t think that people have a “right” to college. That being said, I think that it is for the good of the country to have anyone with talent promoted to university (despite their socioeconomic status or ability to pay) and allowed to further develop their talents in order to better help us as a society (and we need all the talent we can get right now).</p>
<p>Well, we already treat K-12 education as a right, since it’s required for nearly every job. College education is becoming required for lots of well-paying jobs, so it’s either change the system and force companies to stop requiring bachelor’s degrees, make college free, or have the aristocratic system we have now where having successful parents is essential.</p>
<p>What are you all talking about…? In quite a few countries, even mediocre grades/exam scores secure you a place at a state university. Usually you pay a nominal fee, and often you get a stipend. Yeah, they actually pay YOU to survive while you get an education. :rolleyes: AND your visa status doesn’t affect you detrimentally.</p>