<p>im transferring from a ccc. does this apply to me too? Im 25 and only make around 25K per year and ive been independent since 18 and filing my taxes since then</p>
<p>Sounds awesome. I <em>think</em> my family makes under $60k, but I'll have to check to make sure. >_<</p>
<p>I also hope I actually get into a UC. >_<</p>
<p>how is it not fair lol a lot of students cant afford tuitions </p>
<p>this applies to any student going into a UC in fall 09 :)</p>
<p>I don't think more taxes will result from this, especially if you mean California taxes, though I guess it depends on how you define taxes.</p>
<p>Note that UC is adjusting their admission policies. Also note that most students whose parents make under 60k, in almost all circumstances, already get enough (and more) financial aid to cover tuition. This vote only ENSURES that they will be getting that aid, so as not to confuse the weary applicant.</p>
<p>I wish someone would do a study of where EXACTLY the money that goes to FA and colleges come from. I might be wrong but I think the money comes from tax-payers money anyway because that + tuition is where most of the income comes from. The UC's are only allowed to afford providing FA because of taxes. Hence, with the economic crisis we are in right now and a governor who doesnt believe in educational spending - handing out free tuition will only increase the amount of taxes to pay for it. where else are they going to get the money? an increase in tuition from other people who make more than 60K? </p>
<p>i mean, i don't know exactly how the system works. so again, i might be wrong.</p>
<p>My family made WAY less than 60k when i went to UC and i made way less when i became independant at first and you know what, the UCs are CHEAP for the education you get, and i do not think there is ANYTHING wrong with taking out loans.</p>
<p>I was getting full financial aid which included loans anyways and i still would have graduated with under 25k form a UC.</p>
<p>There are plenty of dumb and irresponsible 20 something year olds that take out car loans in that amount and even more. Somehow they manage to pay that off, but paying off their education is a no, no? </p>
<p>I think the income amount should be lowered to like less than 30k. </p>
<p>Keep in mind this is coming form someone whose mom lived on SSI!</p>
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<p>It said in the article that most of the money would come from student fees, which is why I think this is kind of ridiculous. I have parents that make > 60k but I am still responsible to pay for my college... So w t f am I doing taking out loans to pay for other students? </p>
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<p>I was unaware that student loans were only available to those whose parents make > 60k/year... If a UC education isn't worth taking on the debt to you then just go get a job and skip college.</p>
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It said in the article that most of the money would come from student fees, which is why I think this is kind of ridiculous. I have parents that make > 60k but I am still responsible to pay for my college... So w t f am I doing taking out loans to pay for other students?
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That sounds like an issue between you and your parents.</p>
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You don't know what it's like to be faced with the situation of taking out loans while living paycheck to paycheck. I understand that you are angry, but your impulsive insensitivity can stop right there, thanks.</p>
<p>Although I do agree with Malishka - it should be lowered to < 30k. Maybe even < 40k...60 seems a bit high.</p>
<p>Also note that they are changing admissions policies to go along with this plan. I live with a single mother that makes much much less than 30k/year (I won't say how much less) and I work full time for us to get by. Yet I maintain a 3.75 GPA while doing this. Do you think I should skip college given my circumstances?</p>
<p>no you should take out a loan, like everyone else.</p>
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<p>Is the fact that you need to work to support your family not also an issue between you and your parents as well? You have the issue that they have no money to give, I have the issue they won't give it to me. Really the issue is not all at that these people will get a free education, I'm not hating on that. What I disagree with is the means by which they are going to pay for these free educations. Not only are they going to raise UC fees in general (which means even more debt to me) but they will simply redirect more of my tuition to pay for yours. This results in me paying higher fees for a school that will ultimately have less money for resources and everything else I will actually use.</p>
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There are so many f-ing scholarships and grants for people with high grades and low family incomes like yours you should not act like this will make-or-brake you applying to universities. I mean you already applied last Nov under the impression you would have to pay, so what's changed?</p>
<p>i'm with sstory on this. financial aid is good, but free tuition at my expense when low income students can easily get grants/loans is not.</p>
<p>Sigh, I'm tired of these retarded quoting wars so I'll stop here.</p>
<p>If my family had the financial resources to help me pay for my education, they would help me. But they don't so no we don't have an issue. You on the other hand do.</p>
<p>Also, as you obviously do not know, the UC system raises fees periodically. They were going to raise fees for the next year whether or not this plan went through, so what's changed? The reason that this plan came to be is because of these foreseen tuition fee increases. The UC system is trying to avoid these increases be deterrents for low-income students.</p>
<p>I know what has changed though- you now have a scapegoat. If you have an issue, don't flame low-income students. Take action and start a petition- something of this nature. All that you're doing here is insulting the hard work that I put into trying to get through college with your generalizations ("these people") and with your negativity as if "these people" had a direct say in this.</p>
<p>just because it is not directly in "these people's" control doesn't make it okay.</p>
<p>I'm not saying that. Read the 12 sentences preceding the statement you're attacking.</p>
<p>dammit grey, how do you have the time to read all that crap, lol. </p>
<p>summary, please :]</p>
<p>Read the three key points on the fourth page (Appendix B) and the two key points after the table on the last page.</p>
<p>I may have been a litter harsh. I didn't mean to offend anyone.</p>
<p>calm down. i'm not "attacking" anyone or anything. i'm merely defending my opinion. </p>
<p>the main point is that it doesn't seem right that students should have to pay for other students' education based on if their parents make >60,000, because many kids (like myself recently) have to pay for college themselves.</p>
<p>cr_book, it's admirable that you're paying for college yourself. I'm doing the same and then some.</p>
<p>And I do agree - 60k is too high.</p>