<p>replied. :)</p>
<p>Ivies dont consider Freshmen grades</p>
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<p>Really? How do you know?</p>
<p>It says so on Harvard site..</p>
<p>so I dont understand... why is everyone on this thread telling me I dont have a chance because of my freshmen grades...? is there a catch to this?</p>
<p>Well; for one: I'm doing better than anyone of my ethnicity...and I can prove it.</p>
<p>Variance is wrong. Harvard might not (really don't know), others do.</p>
<p>mexica_dude, prove it</p>
<p>I'll prove it.</p>
<p>When we meet in Havahd.</p>
<p>haha. I am applying this November, so probably not.</p>
<p>Variance, send me that Harvard link..</p>
<p>I'll post here in 10-11 years when I graduate from Harvard Medical School.</p>
<p>If this forum hasn't disbanded.</p>
<p>if you get in that is................which is still uncertain.lol</p>
<p>'Well, given your stats; you won't get a 5. I'm sorry, but if you can't handle Algebra, or Science, then the Ivy league is not for you...Between me and you, I would stand a better chance, as I myself are a freshman also...and I'll be applying there too, I think.'</p>
<p>that's pretty arrogant...and even Ivy admins will get offended. If you come off like that in your application, I wouldn't be so sure about the acceptance. </p>
<p>A-San - you're a freshman. Lots of things change. You might get interested in something else, and I don't even understand why you're freaking out so much.</p>
<p>But on that note, I'm a junior, and also interested in international relations/poli sci. But as many people have said, you need ECs to back it up. My school doesn't offer debate; they do offer Mock Trial (which I did but thought was too boring). Instead, as you say, I opted to debate for the local community college - which is awesome, because you compete at a collegiate level, and that looks great. I was lucky because my CC is ranked 1st in the nation last year among all community colleges, and 4th among all universities...it is really a rewarding - although very hectic and demanding - experience that can really test out if you want to go into that field. </p>
<p>Furthermore, all HS poli sci events - Model UN, Mock Trial, and even NFL debate (unless you're really good, which means you compete with the better people and it can be worthwhile) are really useless. I speak out of experience; Mock Trial was a bore after debate, and I've had former partners who did MUN at a very high level in hs and thought it completely useless - college is a whole different issue, because you can go to intl MUN so that if the other person represents Egypt, they are actually from Egypt. NFL debate - I judge hs debate and speech...and it is totally unrewarding. Keep in mind this is SCUDL - which has had the foreign and domestic extemp national champions for the last few years (ok a while ago, but is still v. good league...:)), and is one of the best leagues for high school debate. (especially policy)</p>
<p>If given the oppurtunity, debate for your JC. Its well worth the effort - although it demands a lot. Last year, I spent more time at the JC than at my actual high school, but it really made me love international relations.</p>
<p>AND also: I wouldn't be so sure about "I know I'll get all As in so and so classes for the rest of high school. I know I'll get SATs...I know I'll study a lot" These things are never a given; I went into this school year very confident, and then got my first B in Calculus. Not a big deal for some people, but absolutely devastating for me because it was with one of my favorite teachers. Unless you really study 6 hours a day for SATs and really study a ton for every subject, these are never givens. Don't assume, because it will cost you. </p>
<p>Very good intl school is also Georgetown. SFS - School of Foreign Service - is a elite, one of the best, schools for international relations/poli sci on undergraduate level.</p>
<p>If you work hard you have a chance (just like everyone and Ivies) - if you don't...well, you've heard that already.</p>
<p>I know one guy who was very good at debate, won the Lincoln-Douglas debate thing, not sure at what level, debate was his passion, he went to a very good HS and had good grades but was rejected from Harvard.(Note: His high school does not have that many people apply to Harvard either, ie no competition)Despite what people say about following your passion, it still depends on whether the school is overcrowded with applicants with that type of passion or not.</p>
<p>It totally depends on what level he won LD debate. Regional awards are virtually useless; nationals will def. get you somewhere. I know a bunch of high ranking college debaters, for example, who got into great Law Schools with mediocre grades but as nationally ranked debaters. I.e. one had a horrible GPA at Truman State, OK LSAT, but has won 3 national titles, and got into Fordham. Her partner got into NYU law with a full ride for intellectual property! The list goes onto Haas Law at Berkeley, Duke, U of Chicago, and Harvard. </p>
<p>And I doubt any school can be overcrowded with national level debate applicants - it is nationals for a reason. Only one person can get 1st.</p>
<p>So if no one from your school applies to competitive schools, that lowers your chance?</p>
<p>mexican dude, i'm mexican american too.</p>
<p>i don't think you even come close to my app. sorry. :p</p>
<p>And don't be so cocky. Modesty is a good thing. ;)</p>