<p>My daughter attends a magnet program in our local high school. Our school publishes a special web site that lists all the kids that apply to college, and graphs the acceptances, waitlists and rejections by both SAT and weighted GPA for most colleges.</p>
<p>No one got into Brown with less than a 4.5 Weighted average and 1500. In fact, out of the 20+ kids that applied to Brown, no one got in with less than 4.6 and 1520.</p>
<p>Click on “enter as guest” and then click on “college lookup.” When you see Brown, Click on review by state or use the alphabetical listing to find Brown University under “B.” Under Brown,click on the graph option, and you will see all the kids from our magnet high school who got admitted, rejected and waitlisted by SAT and GPA. Check out the URL. This shows actual statistics for admission and rejection. It is very illuminating. Maybe our high school was unlucky</p>
<p>By the way, just to give you a bit of makeup of our high school. It has a high average SAT of 1210. Many kids get over 1400 on SATs primarily because there are two magnet programs located there. It also has an unusually high proportion of asian kids. Many students are upper middle class and very few other URMs (under represented minorities).</p>
<p>Very interesting. I couldn't resist looking at graphs for other schools as well. It seems that Brown was kinder than some - Williams, for example. Dart was pretty tough, too, but Cornell seemed to like you guys!</p>
<p>I think you're giving your daughter's schools reputation too much credit.
35 applied to Penn and 5 were accepted...Maybe colleges don't think very highly of the program?</p>
<p>I think it depends where it is. From Brown's site, you can see that there is a small percentage (under 25%) that get in with much lower scores. I'm sure they come from schools or neighborhoods that are not affluent or just won them over on other things. High scores don't always mean a great student as many articles will tell you. So, if you're not in the top tier, there is always hope. Can't hurt to apply.</p>
<p>Our school has a great reputation both in Maryland and nationally. We were ranked in the top 50 public highschools in America by US News and World Report. However, no top school likes to take too many graduates from any public school. Most public schools would love to get 4-5 into any one ivy. We have had as many as 8 or so get into Cornell alone. We are usually well represented in MIT and other top schools. I don't know why Brown and Dartmouth and a few others such as Williams mandates such high requirements from our school. Maybe all magnet schools have this problem.</p>
<p>I think it might have a lot to do with the people themselves also. There is a person with a 1410 who got into Dartmouth, but the average is over 1520 so obviously the others are much higher. This person might have had a strong hook though. A kid in my grade got in with a 1310 (wrestling) but another didnt with a 1560. College admissions is a funny game.</p>
<p>some kid with a 1300 and a 3.2 gpa got in from my school a few years ago. How big is this school? around 7 people got into harvard early from my school and we're not a private/public magnet school or anything.</p>
<p>I don't think the averge at Dartmouth and simimlar Ivies is 1510 like you said, slipper. The middle 50% ranges go from like 680-760 usually, so the top 25% would have 1520+, right?</p>
<p>Enrollment: 5,772
Average SAT: 1390
Average ACT: 29
Student Faculty Ratio: 9:1 </p>
<p>Very important admission factors:
Character/Personal Qualities
Secondary School Record
Talent/Ability </p>
<p>Important admission factors:
Class Rank
Essay
Extracurricular Activities
Recommendations </p>
<p>*Considered: *
Alumni/AE Relation
Geographical Residence
Interview
Minority Status
Standardized Test Scores
State Residency
Volunteer Work
Work Experience</p>
<p>I must be a bit confused. What exactly does "character and personal qualities entail, and how does one determine whether a student has these qualities in abundance? For example, it can't be based on service hours since our school requires 100 service hours, and many kids have over 200 service hours. Maybe it means that you weren't indicted for a felony. Maybe it means that they want outgoing personalities at interviews; however, I have met a number of Brown University kids, and this can't be the major factor. </p>
<p>Thus, enlighten me. How does one distinguish a better character from one person over another? Hmm, I know. Maybe it's being captain of a sports team.</p>
<p>I am not bitter at all. I just want to know how one quantifies "character?" </p>
<p>I may be a bit jaded, but our highschool kids need 1500 on SATs to get into Brown while other highschool kids only need about 1400 from these posts. Thus, I am trying to figure out what makes other high schools or other kids so desireable.</p>
<p>I'll tell you what I think is the real situation. If you are from an expensive private school where parents can pay full bore tuition, I think ( but could be mistaken) that these kids get in with lower scores. I also think that if the school is predominately asian, there is some subtle discrimination. Again, I could be mistaken. Thus, I am trying to find out why it is so difficult to get entry into Brown from our highschool. It's a simple question.</p>
<p>For what it's worth, I am strongly against any form of discrimination that isn't merit based. From what I am reading on these forums, I get a "smell" that something is fishy in Brown's admission policies. Who knows, maybe it's the tuna I had for lunch.</p>
<p>u know why????????? b.c the difference shows up EVERYWHERE!!!!!! let's see... so you are a parent , trying to help out ur kid??????? uhm........ and WE the students ARE DOING OUR BEST TO PLAN OUT OUR OWN LIVES!!!! OUR OWN FUTURE!!!! so maybe that's why. that's the character Brown looks for. that 's the independence!!!!!!</p>
<p>Please, don't treat your kid like a robot to process a list of instructions on "How to Get into Brown"--let high school be an experience in itself and he/she will be much better off. </p>
<p>In the meantime: good luck trying to crack a code that doesn't exist.</p>