Future of Islam in America and Europe?

<p>No one ever said French were the brightest bulb in the warehouse. But we can't allow Europe to be destroyed culturally because a couple people with power in Europe were greedy. Like most countries in Europe with falling birth rates, they could of set up some kind of system of encouraging and paying for the European’s to have more children, but they didn’t. They’re greedy and would wish to import non-European people from third world nations. I don’t like the fact that they take advantage of unprivileged people from third world nations (like what the US is doing to illegal Mexicans). </p>

<p>Muslims can be of any race, and when I say they are not European, I'm pretty much saying they're not white. There are a lot of white Muslims in Europe, I'll acknowledge that. But the majority of Muslims in the world are not. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't what to see a continent that has historically been one race with a lot of different cultures in it forced to become some racial multicultural place. Europe is traditionally a Christian/Pagan/Atheist land I would say, not a Muslim or Hindu one.</p>

<p>It’s kind of sad if you’re a French person living in lets say America and you go back to your homeland and see that it’s 40% non-White French. I wouldn’t want that for any country. I wouldn’t want Japan to be 20% White and 30% Black and 10% mixed and leaving the rest Japanese. Great Britain has always been White-European ever since it’s beginning, but how can a country like that in a matter of 20 years or so become 10% non-White? Just in 20 years of a place that is thousands of years old? It’s hard for me to say the message I'm feeling, it's not some racist rant but I just see that Europe is changing way to fast for some kind of liberal agenda I don't understand. I don’t agree with it, but there is nothing I can do about it. I bet a lot of Europeans don’t like it either. People have done a lot of wrong stuff in the past, but they shouldn't be punished for it. Not everyone is guilty or perfect.</p>

<p>What's wrong with different skin colors/customs? I don't really see any reason for people to get mad about it... it's all one earth and we're all humans right? Why should political boundaries divide skin colors/cultures?</p>

<p>Nothing is wrong with them. Just that most of the time they bring tensions. Now days a big push is for tolerance which doesn't work. You don't see China or Japan pushing this or diversity, just dumb Western Nations. It's not really political boundaries I would say or skin color. Mediterranean’s (Italians, Spaniards, Greeks) have an olive skin color but are still white.</p>

<p>Here's a question for you GoldShadow. If it's all one earth, then there is plenty of land for everyone. Why must every one of all races and cultures go to the small continent of Europe? Why can't people stay and help their respected countries/people? Why must everything fall under racial multiculturalism or whatever it is?</p>

<p>Because of differences in economic opportunities I suppose.</p>

<p>But I do see what you're saying about the rapid mixing causing tensions.</p>

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<p>I'm white. Do you want me to move to Saudia Arabia or something because I'm Muslim? Or am I allowed to stay?
Your argument makes absolutely no sense. If someone of Japanese heritage was born in America, they would be American. Sure, they might look Japanese, but would it be right to try and send them to Japan against their will?
I can't tell if you want things segregated by religion or color. In your world, would you be happier if all the Muslims lived on one continent, all the Christians on one, and so on? Or would you prefer anyone who's white to stay in Europe, light olives to go somewhere else, whites who have spent a little too much time in the tanning salon in one area, or what?</p>

<p>Its a real shame that we are all humans and part of one race but that race, ethnicity, religion, political leanings, etc divide us so much and cause us to fight.</p>

<p>I don't think we'll ever see pure racial, religious, etc harmony among each other. I'm sure deep inside, everyone feels that their religion and political leanings for example are the best and wish everybody else would be the same as them and thats where we find problems.</p>

<p>With Europe's very low birth rates and high rate of immigration, its only a matter of time before Muslims especially become a large minority or even majority there, like it or not, we will see a lot of conflict over that. We should be seeing a sharp rise in white nationalism in Europe soon.</p>

<p>Muslims and Christians especially are completely different in their cultural and other views especially towards women. Its very hard I think for both religions to find common ground.</p>

<p>Like it or not, the only thing Islam can do in America, Europe and Australia, which are mostly white, Christian countries, is to grow and prosper there.</p>

<p>sydney if you are unhappy here and want to change the american culture and make it like saudi arabia- n o tolerence for others- oppression of other minority groups - then - GTFO</p>

<p>sydney_bristow87, you're confused, and I don't feel like re-explaining anything. I'm also talking about Europe, not North America.</p>

<p><a href="http://makeashorterlink.com/?C35862B3C%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://makeashorterlink.com/?C35862B3C&lt;/a> Here's an interesting video of Jean Marie Le Pen talking about the problems in France with minorities.</p>

<p>Are the minorities really to blame? Aren't they the ones pushed to the margins of society by the French? Are they always being ignored? It seems like the French just let them in the country and then leave them to fend for themselves all alone with no support whatsoever.</p>

<p>Tpeck, my parents are French and they converted to Islam. Does that mean they should leave their country and move to Saudi Arabia? You are clearly a dumba**.</p>

<p>Jeepers. Tpeck isn't saying that entire countries need to be with their religion and race or else. I think he was speaking of Islam in terms of the Arab and Palestinian cultures, and Christianity/various pagan religions/secularism in terms of white European culture. Europe is so secular now they really don't have a religion to fight Islam with. I'm not surprised at the conversions to Islam. It's not like Christianity is very popular, anyway. </p>

<p>To me, things seem very different in cultural acclimation/immigration between Europe and America. America's a giant melting pot--we've got Creoles, American Indian/white, Asians/white, Indians/white marriages, everything. Europe, on the other hand, is actually <em>German</em> or <em>Swiss</em> or <em>Italian</em>. </p>

<p>The chapter on immigration in Jeremy Rifkin's "The European Dream" is very enlightening. Immigrants are becoming the new Europeans.</p>

<p>Well, Europe sucks anyways. Nothing beats USA :)</p>

<p>Sevendust, you can't read worth sh-t. I clearly stated that there are a lot of white Muslims in Europe (No I don't think they should be deported). No one is having problems with White Muslims (except for maybe Albanians), they tend to blend in since they are of the same "background."</p>

<p>The French let immigrants come in to their country thinking that they would work for 10 years or so then leave and go back home (Yes a very stupid idea, and guess what, they're paying for it), but they never did.</p>

<p>"Well, Europe sucks anyways. Nothing beats USA"</p>

<p>Sevendust is awesome.</p>

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sydney_bristow87, you're confused

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No, you're confused.
So you're saying, the Muslims, being mostly of middle eastern decsent, should head back to the middle east... but you're also saying that white muslims should stay in europe...
Eh, it's your opinion. Good luck with that.</p>

<p>When the Balkans were under the control of the Ottoman Empire, some people converted to Islam. People from the Middle East and North Africa come to Europe and stir sh-t up with the locals because their culture is too different. But it doesn't matter, when the Nationalists come to power in Europe, you can say bye bye to a lot of people who don't belong in Europe.</p>

<p>Not without a fight and plenty of bloodshed though.</p>

<p>And hopefully, that won't be necessary. Don't let violent thoughts be the first to enter your head rahul.</p>

<p>And Tpeck... I'm sorry you feel that certain people "don't belong." Europe may have been predominantly white and christian for centuries, but that does not mean it is right or even necessary. America felt that blacks were inferior slaves for many centuries. In fact, much of the world did. Would you rather that attitude did not change, simply because it was 'centuries old' and 'traditional'?</p>

<p>Listen,</p>

<p>Its that kind of attitude that tries to demote Islam or people who know Islam will be the largest religion in a matter of time and are scared. No matter how hard anybody tries Islam is at the top in the world in population, right there with Christianity and you can't stop it. </p>

<p>Jesus did teach us to be racist. </p>

<p>In the Quran, Allah states in Chapter 49 vs. 13: O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. </p>

<p>We are not here to despise each other and look down upon another. It doesn't matter where you are from or your skin tone. Islam is not a religion for the dark brown skin, it is a message for all of humanity and that is a fact. Malcolm X realized that when he went to Hajj in Makkah. Millions of people there from all walks of life, from every single place in the world, all at one place for one purpose only; to answer the call of Allah.</p>

<p>And guess what, Jesus was not white. He probably looks like an Palestinian Arab because that is where he is from. Peace be upon him.</p>