<p>Just wondering, which is easier?
I have heard that Chem for Engineers has more tests, but they're easier and not cumulative.</p>
<p>DON’T DO CHEM FOR ENGINEERS!!!</p>
<p>Preview people will try to sell you on this class. Don’t do it. You get just as good of a background in Gen Chem 1. It’s not worth all of the trouble.</p>
<p>D’s roommate did chem for engineers. She’d had AP chem in high school and done well. She’s an exceptional student (chemE major w/ like a 3.9 gpa thus far in her jr year). She worked in that class, found it fairly accelerated. D, who’s also a ChemE major (exact same GPA as her roomie) began w/ Chem II instead. She’s more physics oriented while her roommates more chem oriented. When they study, it’s funny … their two halves make a whole. 
For them … either route was fine as far as how they are doing as juniors in ChemE.</p>
<p>zebes</p>
<p>I’m in the class right now, and it is not bad at all. The textbook is way more interesting than the one for chm2045. If you really want to learn applications and gain an understanding of chemistry, take Chm2095. Dr.K’s Mini Exams are fair. I got a 70% 80% on the first two but the rest have been 90-120%. (Yes, he gives extra credit on every exam.) The homework he gives shouldn’t take over an hour, and if you read the book, and listen to his lectures you will be fine. (Most people don’t even read the book, but I find it interesting.)</p>
<p>I do not mean to be rude but ufgator18, you mentioned before that you lost money because your son decided to switch out the class after the first week or two. That is not really a good basis… on the class. If your son stayed in the class a bit longer he would’ve seen it’s not bad at all. (I did poorly on my first two ME as I mentioned above.)</p>
<p>My son as were most of you was a whiz at ap chem in high school. He is taking chm2045 and says it is fast paced and very challenging.</p>
<p>He is now attending studyedge and says it is helpful.</p>
<p>If you dont HAVE TO TAKE 2045? DONT</p>
<p>I don’t know… I never took AP Chem, but Dr. K makes chemistry easy for me…I actually hated chemistry before this class…</p>
<p>Acheung, you have me confused. I don’t have a son. ???</p>
<p>My mistake, I must have confused you with someone that has a “gator” in their user name. Sorry.</p>
<p>Take 2095 if you can…the weekly quizzes are not hard to pass. Chem2045 is a nightmare unless you are very good at Chemistry before enrolling.</p>
<p>I can’t speak for chem for engineers, but at least from my experience, I can still tell you that general chem with George Gower isn’t too bad. The tests are a little nerve-wracking - to be honest - since they are worth so much of your grade, however, you can drop a bad test and they’re very cookie cutter. They’re practically easy. Okay, maybe 1 or 2 questions take a little thinking, but if you pay attention and don’t doze/wander off like many in class do, you’ll do well — especially since Gower did like half the test before the test. In fact, the test this last Wednesday, he practically gave away one of the answers to a question the day before the test (for which I don’t know why I heard multiple people complain how this one question was “unfair”) and he hints at more because by the time he starts reviewing for the test in class, the tests is already made, so he knows what questions are going to be asked and gives hints.</p>
<p>Okay maybe I could be a little biased since I received a 92 and a 100 on the last two tests, so maybe it’s hard for other people - I don’t really know why though. But as I will tell anyone sincerely, you just got to know how to study (effectively) and manage your time (wisely) - as with any class, including both chem for engineers and general chem. As a very common rule I hear, do 2 hours per week of work outside of class for every one credit you take. So for this 3 credit chem class, do 6 hours of work a week, which is sufficient, especially if you have a background in chem from high school. There’s 168 hours in a week. Use 30 of them for studying (very sufficient for a 15 credit load), 56 for sleeping, and ~15 for classes. You still have ~10 hours a day left for whatever the he’ll you want.</p>
<p>I hope I don’t come off cocky or anything in writing this, especially for those potentially not doing well, but in all, Gen. Chem with Gower (or Mitchell) if just fine. If you’re an engineering major (I’m pre-med though) maybe take chem for engineers…since you’re going to be an engineer…?</p>
<p>But yeah for those that take gen chem, I suggest: (some I do and don’t do…do what works for you)</p>
<p>-read chapter (effectively) before lecture. Skip stuff you know. Focus on stuff you don’t
-pay attention (lol literally some people walk right out 10 minutes into class)
-do problems from book
-don’t rely on lecture slides. Use book to learn.
-don’t need to go to discussion section. I find it more effective to use that time studying by myself in a library
-Use resources if stuck: Teacher’s office hours. TA’s office hours. Go to another discussion section if need be…FREE (not like doing the next point)
-TutoringZone/StudyEdge. I don’t use these, but my friends do. I guess it forces you to work on chem right then and there and focus more since you directly know you are paying them (even though you’re paying 1/2 grand of $$ for the class too, for which you can do the above point)
-seriously, know how to study. I see sooo many people studying ineffectively. It’s not just they’re “doing what works for them,” they’re really not studying efficiently. They spend a week before the test studying 3 hours a day. Then they get D’s. Before you come to college, take like a week out of your summer researching online/library on how to study. Will save you later. And if you already know how to study, at least you may learn other methods because different classes need different study methods. ex. Bio vs. Chem</p>
<p>—yeah, so I hope this helps?</p>