<p>Which one is "better" for an I-banking career?</p>
<p>I would say they are about the same (maybe GWU is a little more prestigious)... </p>
<p>I see Bear Stearns, Credit Suisse First Boston, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and a couple of good consulting companies. I would expect the same for IU; both schools arent really investment banking recruiting grounds... if you want to get into investment banking I would shoot higher honestly.</p>
<p>IU had about 50 people hired into IB last year. That's pretty good and way more than GW I'd bet. Not everyone can get into HYP you know.</p>
<p>Look at the Business Week ranking and look at the careers. They dont even compare. IU drowns GWU.</p>
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<p>Yeah out of what... 1500 business students (3% wow)? You know, Washington University is ranked way lower than Kelley for Business yet places about 30% of their undergraduate Olin SOB in investment banking. I'll bet you that GWU has a higher percentage of their class going into investment banking than Kelley.</p>
<p>I am going to say.......IU-Kelley definitely. GWU simply is a rarity on wall street, they should stick to law. hahah, but the numbers are there and Kelley easily wins.</p>
<p>lol transvaal u must not have gotten into IU, you keep complaining about it, no way does GWU come close to IU Kelley, you have to be kidding me</p>
<p>Anyone can get into IU, look at the schools national ranking (UIUC is way better than IU/Kelley anyway and plus I never even applied to IU). GWU has a better overall school than IU, so you're going to have to back up IU against GWU with stats. The fact is only about 3% of all of Kelley undergraduates make it into investment banking, now what is the percentage at GWUs business school?</p>
<p>Kelley is known for putting people into IB's and now is starting get a lot more Wall Street Cred. It was ranked top 10 by Business Week and GWU wasn't even in the top 50 so figure from there. Also, it would be a lie to say that 1,500 students applied for IB jobs it would be more like 500 or less.</p>
<p>umm i dont think any accredited ranking supports ur statement that UIUC is better than IU kelley, and were not talking about overall schools we are talking about business schools, and IU is much better than GWU in business, also you continue to state UIUC is better than IU at placing in ibanking so lets look at the numbers, according to the businessweek undergrad profile of UIUC it says</p>
<p>jp morgan 14
ml 6</p>
<p>now thats the only concrete evidence of UIUC numbers in ibank placement so we have 20 concrete placements, now lets say each other major ib (ms, gs, citi, lehman, csfb, bear stearns, db, ubs, lazard blackstone) each pick up about 2-3, so well go with 3 for each just to stay on the higher side that would mean 30 more ppl were placed in ibanking and well make the range 30-40 just to be nice, that would mean an assumed overweighted number of 50-60 placements from uiuc, close to IU but mostly hypotethical. The more probable would be less than that, but if we went with this set UIUC is less or just about the same number of placements as IU, no where near being way better, in either the b school ranking or ibanking placement (def not in the bschool ranking). I will give you it may be a better overall university and the CAS and so forth at IU are not incredibly strong, but ib and bschool only it is very strong, strong than UIUC. Now I am really going to insult myself by doing this but i will do the same analysis for GWU just to shut u up, according to bw online profile </p>
<p>lehman 5
gs 2
ml 2</p>
<p>all the concrete evidence says 9 placements, now lets give each of the other major ibanks 1 placement (otherwise it would have made the top 10 recruiting) so ms, citi, ubs, bs, db, lazard, blackstone, csfb each getting one would be 8 more placed, but we will make the range rediculously large from 8-40 assumed ibank placements (just to show you how stupid your statement is) so it would be total 17-49 ibankers placed, still less than IUs 60, so once again as UIUC, kelley is ranked higher than GWU and it places a hell of alot more people into ibanking.</p>
<p>I agree with you that Kelley is better, but that's not what he's trying to say. He's pointing out that Kelley is much larger than GWU business, and he thinks that when you divide the number of placements by the total students in the b-school the percentage will be higher at GWU than at Kelley.</p>
<p>who gives a crap about that either your one of the better students at IU, GWU or UIUC or whatever other comparison you want to make or your not. Given all these others schools have tighter admissions than IU does, and the kids not in the better part of the class will be larger, but that does not mean he should go around telling people that IU sucks and that UIUC or w/e is way better because you everyone here with ambition to go into ibanking is not going to be dawdling along at the lower end of any school they go to. Also IU has a specialized program that is rapidly expanding their ibanking placement so any smart person would see that their chances of getting into ibanking are gonna be increasingly higher in years to come than UIUC and whoever that is just going to keep drudging along at the same pace.</p>
<p>People have to realize where the Ibank Feeding grounds are and UIUC and GWU are not one of those, but IU is, so IU wins. End of story, percentages don't matter because if its not a feeding ground its probably not worth going to. In the end, the choice is up to the person who started this thread. It's the type of business deal that will change your life and if you are smart enough to realize how IB recruitment works, then you will understand what choice to make.</p>
<p>^ IU never was an investment banking recruiting ground (dont kid yourself). UIUC itself isnt a feeding ground either. Dont even compare IU (or even UIUC) to real investment banking recruiting grounds like Michigan, Stern, MIT, Wharton, etc. </p>
<p>UIUC College of Business is about half the size (if that) of Kelley. You are going to have a better chance at getting an investment banking/consulting job there than at Kelley (plus the average student in UIUC business school is a lot more competitive than at Kelley). They even have investment banking/mergers and acquisitions/capital markets classes at the UIUC business school (not so at IU, unless you are in their I-banking workshop). Kelley it seems like if you are not in their I-banking workshop, you are out of luck. Plus the school as a whole is ranked incredible low. I also read somewhere on here that people on Wall Street think Kelley grads are a joke. </p>
<p>To the OP, like I said, if you want to get into investment banking, you better just junk both IU and GWU and aim higher (like U-Michigan, Washington U, Stern, Emory, Georgetown etc).</p>
<p>YEAAAAHH IM SURE U READ WALL STREET THINKS THEYRE A JOKE. stop trying to make yourself not look stupid its just sad. You can continue to say all you want but you still have no concrete evidence that UIUC's bschool is better than Kelley. and pre med is not kidding himself hes in high school he has no loyalties to IU. You need to stop speaking please. Yes i am sure wall street thinks Kelley grads are a joke since 25% of bear stearns upcoming analyst class in from kelley and at jpmorgan 8 IU students will be starting as ib analysts, and harvard only has two and penn 1, and this is no ******** i actually physically had the list in my hands. Thank you for your pathetic attempt to redeem yourself though</p>
<p>Yeah that's right, you got nothing. I make myself look stupid? How is that?</p>
<p>Its getting ridiculous with people trying to say IU Kelley is such an elite investment banking recruiting ground. Kelley with its 1189 average SAT score, yeah Wall Street laughs at this school.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/undergraduate/06profiles/indiana3.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/undergraduate/06profiles/indiana3.htm</a>
Your number one employer is Target, so have fun :).</p>
<p>Here's UIUC - <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/undergraduate/06profiles/illinois3.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.businessweek.com/bschools/undergraduate/06profiles/illinois3.htm</a>
Yeah, isnt even comparable, and the average student also has a higher salary and bonus than Kelley.</p>
<p>JP Morgan recruits at all schools, lets find a more lucrative investment bank </p>
<p><a href="http://www.lazard.com/careers/FA-NA-UG.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.lazard.com/careers/FA-NA-UG.html</a>
-Oh look, University of Illinois and the real schools Haas, Georgetown, Harvard, Michigan, Wharton, Princeton, etc (hey I cant seem to find Kelley). </p>
<p>Also Blackstone (and many others) doesnt recruit at Kelley, but they sure do recruit at UIUC. :)</p>
<p>Transveal, you are 100% right.</p>
<p>Additionally, what many of you don't realize is that investment banking can also include areas like equity research and fixed income research - which are much easier positions to get....</p>
<p>corporate finance, M+A, and sales and trading are the hardest jobs to get and i am sure there are very few IU kids getting those types of jobs...i dont care what these people say...they would take a kid at michigan any day over a kid at kelley - just ask people on wall street...i will say this ne more time..jsut cuz a firm recruits does not mean they are recruiting for top jobs.</p>
<p>Addiotionally, IU kids may be getting ibd jobs in places like chicago and houston which are not the most coveted regions either as they are in New york..you guys need to do research..sorry my typing is so bad..lol</p>
<p>Transvaal thats wonderful, go through my previous posts of actual numbers recruited for ibanks and w/e links you just gave me will just support it, those are the exact links that i used to come up w/ my analysis, still IU outnumbers UIUC in ibanking and until you show me evidence that this is not true w/ hard factual numbers then u havent proved anything. Yeah and well see if you ever get lucky enough to shine a jpmorgan employees shoes, you better not write checks that ur ass cant cash, youll be dying to work there, who do you think you are? YOU ARE A JOKE and hey if what you say about wall street laughing at IU is true than they must have died laughing at UIUC since KELLEY PLACES MORE IBANKERS THAN UIUC YOU STILL HAVE NO EVIDENCE, JUST STOP</p>
<p>SPORTS YOU REALLY NEED TO JUST STOP SPEAKING go to the website once again as i have said before and all the garbage that spews out of you mouth will need to disapear you cant even spell the name of the persons comments you are supporting and they are right in front of you, but you must be fighting to live in you fantasy world where you are right, but every single comment you make on this topic is wrong. SPORTS YOU NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH <a href="http://www.kelley.iu.edu/ibw%5B/url%5D">www.kelley.iu.edu/ibw</a> go to the resume book and the placements everyone single person is in corp. fin, m & a, or sales and trading majority in NYC. Just stop speaking honestly, it will do us all a favor</p>
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<a href="http://www.lazard.com/careers/FA-NA-UG.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.lazard.com/careers/FA-NA-UG.html</a>
-Oh look, University of Illinois and the real schools Haas, Georgetown, Harvard, Michigan, Wharton, Princeton, etc (hey I cant seem to find Kelley).
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<p>Yeah, I actually like to use Lazard's recruiting when trying to decide whether a place is top notch or not, they are simply MORE SELECTIVE than anywhere else. The BB's have so many positions they'll be recruiting at a lot of school so when you see where Lazard is recruiting from you know who's really the cream of the crop.</p>
<p>^ tat is stupid, u determine what schools are top by one firms recruiting list which is probay not even complete not to mention most of it says TBD? ( to be determined?) i know that top firms and their recruiting list does in some way reflect what the top schools are obviously but it doesnt show the whole picture. honestly, the only ones who can really talk and actually give an INFORMED opinion are those who actualy went THROUGH the process and had an ib job or wutever bull#&$* or actually goes to a top school and has done EXTENSIVE research and has asked many PROFESSIONALS workin at these firms. everyone else saying crap is entitled to their opinion and belief but the bottom line is, its ur friggin OPINION. if ur a high school student like me, really shutup u dont know more than a college student or adult who has actual experience, dont be arrogant or foolish.</p>