<p>To your liking, I’m sure, Georgetown doesn’t give out merit scholarships.</p>
<p>I know, which is exactly my point…</p>
<p>“Can’t” doesn’t necessarily imply lack of ability (although I don’t know your personal qualifications), but also lack of possibility.</p>
<p>It just seems odd that such a proponent of “merit” scholarships would have top choices (Georgetown, Penn, Columbia, Stanford, etc.) that don’t (need to) offer them.</p>
<p>This is 2010 and Haas has one huge, gigantic drawback called California. The way the economy of the state continues to collapse, both the cost and quality of Cal and the opportunities for internships and post-grad placement will continue to decline. The 30% increase in fees this year will have to be repeated year on year and one graduating class after another is going to compete with itself as the 12% plus unemployment moves ever up. Go to where there is opportunity. Columbia in New York is down the road from Wall Street and ever fatter bonuses and Georgetown is in the DC area with 6% unemployment.
Califrornia also might well elect a free trade Governor next year who will encourage the continuation of the carnage in Silicon Valley. Stay Away!</p>
<p>I’m going to Wharton next year so clearly I would rather attend Penn than Georgetown(given that I applied ED to Penn). But as for the other schools I would attend over Gtown…</p>
<p>Stanford
Columbia
UVA</p>
<p>I’m not a fan of liberal arts schools. For four years of hard work and 200k, you should have a diploma that people actually recognize. USC, being urban and good at sports, is basically a worse version of Georgetown. The UC’s are horrible deals out of state. It would be hard to get the classes that you want, due to the budget crisis. And their four year graduation rates are atrocious, so they could easily end up costing 250k. UVA is a close matchup with Gtown, but overall it’s better in business and in my opinion a tad more respected academically than Georgetown. Also note that UVA is 160k rather than 200k.</p>
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<p>While the town of Claremont is only ~35 miles from downtown LA, it just ain’t close by. Traffic is miserable. Plus, many of the hot clubs are not downtown, but on the westside of LA.</p>
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<p>Perhaps, but Haas is NOT an option at this point. Haas only accepts students as Juniors, and there is no guarantee of acceptance. The OP could go anywhere and apply to Haas as a Jr.</p>
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<p>Sure, on the west coast. But nationally, do you really thing employers split hairs that finely between top xx colleges ? (It’s not as if we are comparing Wharton/Haas vs. Podunk State.)</p>
<p>Most people talking about Haas on this thread haven’t been to Haas, so you should take everything they say with a grain of salt. </p>
<p>Haas is very well respected in California and in Wall Street, NY. Haas has active and proud alumni in many parts of America, but there are more of them in the Bay Area, LA and Wall Street, NY. Haas is more respected than McDonough whether in NY or anywhere else outside of DC. </p>
<p>For the same price between Haas and McDonough, Haas is the obvious better choice. It’s not even close, to be frank about it.</p>
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<p>Do some research, my friend. Haas is a target school for most top employers even in NY. Many Haas grads are hired by those WS employers every single year. McDonough, whilst it’s good, isn’t. </p>
<p>If the OP was talking about Ross, or McIntire, at least, it would have been a different story. But McDonough isn’t that well-established as a business school and it isn’t in the league of Haas at the moment.</p>
<p>Haas has so many negatives relative to McDonough(once again, Wharton guy here, so I’m not affiliated with either).
- no freshman entry
- about 50% Asian ----> insane competition for grades
- not always possible to get the classes you need. that’s the nature of a huge public.
- four year grad rate is atrocious next to that of Georgetown. a decent number of people fail out of Berkeley. it doesn’t really happen at Georgetown.
- job placement. you can successfully argue that McDonough puts out little worthwhile academic research, but you can’t argue that its grads aren’t getting top jobs.
- large travel distance from CT</p>
<p>Don’t make RML upset!</p>
<p>sorry, RML, I was confusing two separate points.</p>
<p>I meant to say that employers don’t split hairs for econ majors that much. Bcos, and this is the key point, the OP’s decision is not between McDonough & Haas, but McDonough and Cal-Letters & Sciences, and a more applications (and stress and prayers) for Haas two years down the line.</p>
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I’m with you on this one. Having too many Asians is a downside of Cal.</p>
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This isn’t true at all for those pre-Haas and especially Haas students. This is sort of like an idea that you just plucked out form hwkette’s mind. Entirely baseless. </p>
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4-year graduation rate isn’t a good indicator. Many Cal students do take a year off to study in other countries as exchange students. Some work for a while to gain more experience and maturity. Some students do it for reasons that are beneficial to them. What’s important is that, for those who would like to graduate on time, they can do so at Cal. Most, if not all Haas people graduate on time, including those people doing econ, because Haas runs by block sections. It’s also very rarely that a student flunks a subject at Haas and won’t graduate on time. Haas’ grad rate is often 99% if not 100%. </p>
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I’m sure they’re not as much of a target by top employers as much as Haas grads are. So, I don’t think this is a negative for Haas. </p>
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Well, many people at Haas are even from as far as half the globe away and they’re not complaining about that a bit. Travel is educational, and California is a great and beautiful state.</p>
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<p>Like I said, Cal’s econ is very well respected too. L&S students/graduates may not enjoy the very active career placement services provided exclusively to Haas grads, or become a member of the prestigious Haas alumni association, etc., etc., but they would have a career placement office of their own, which I think is also doing a great job in sending their graduates to high paying jobs. Even McKinsey, for instance, invites people from Cal econ. I’m no sure if the same firm invites people from McDonough or any program at Georgetown. And, if the OP wishes to work in Silicon valley, he’s more likely going to get employed there than any other places except Stanford. In short. If the OP would eventually end up doing econ at Cal, it’s still a great program that the OP will end up doing vs Georgetown. </p>
<p>But if you would include Columbia econ into the mix for the same price tag, I’d take Columbia.</p>
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<p>Last I checked, that was on the ‘West Coast’. :D</p>
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<p>No question it’s a great program, but the whole collegiate package is still not worth $50k OOS, IMO.</p>
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<li><p>Stanford - Prestige, California weather, superior financial aid</p></li>
<li><p>Penn (Wharton) - Philly, fair guarantee of gainful employment after graduation</p></li>
<li><p>Columbia - NYC location, proximity to family (I live in NYC) and to friends (many go to school in NY state)</p></li>
<li><p>Pomona - Claremont Consortium (exceedingly close proximity to other campuses and their cultural/social events, ease of taking classes at other Claremont Colleges, California weather)</p></li>
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<p>You would be out of your mind to choose Georgetown over Stanford or Wharton. The other schools, it’s really up to personal preference.</p>
<p>Honestly, I wouldn’t pick any of those over Georgetown. And here’s why…</p>
<p>Stanford - I hate its Taco Bell architectural style; it would drive me nuts.</p>
<p>Penn - too pre-professional</p>
<p>Columbia - no one actually likes Columbia; they just like NYC</p>
<p>UC Schools - not a good value for OOS students, especially with their current financial crisis</p>
<p>Pomona/Claremont - too small and unheard of</p>
<p>UVA - social scene too heavily reliant on greek life; would feel out of place as OOS student</p>
<p>USC - Pete Carroll</p>
<p>Why Georgetown - Strong business and science programs; Brand new business building; New life sciences building coming soon; Hoya basketball; Tight-knit student body; Awesome campus; DC is amazing for internships; So many exciting things happen in DC; M Street is literally a 5 minute walk away; etc</p>
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<p>AHAHAHHAAHAH this is one of the first things I’ve read on CC that actually made me laugh. 'twas pretty good.</p>
<p>haha thickfreakness makes some good points. my favorite, which i just realized is true, is “no one actually likes Columbia; they just like NYC”.</p>
<p>kwu, </p>
<p>you mean Pomona is worth 50k and Cal isn’t? Are you serious? Pomona grads don’t even make 20% less than what Cal grads make after graduation. There’s really only 1 school in California that’s worth more valuable than a Cal degree and that’s Stanford.</p>
<p>With California’s current economic crisis, graduates of all three will be grateful for a job that offers health insurance while Penn, Columbia and Georgetown grads will move right into high powered careers.</p>
<p>One exception-the ten mile radius around Cupertino, CA (where Apple HQ is located).</p>
<p>This is 2010 not 1999, adapt to the current environment.</p>
<p>kwu has got it right, although I would put CMC right up there with Pomona, especially if one is interested in econ/business.</p>