<p>Realistically how hard is it to get into UMich out of state as a Freshman? I have been looking in some college guidebooks and the acceptance % is about 50 and the SAT averages arent all that high? </p>
<p>Is it a huge disadvantage (like in Cali) coming from out of state? Is that why the numbers are lower?</p>
<p>What schools would it compare to as far as difficulty in being accepted out of state? UVA? UCLA? UIUC? UWisc?</p>
<p>There are some state schools like UT Austin, UNC, and Cal, where getting in out of state is exponentially harder than getting in for in-staters. This is not the case at Michigan. Though getting in OOS is probably slightly harder, the difference is probably only 40 SAT points or so (all else equal). A good assessment at the difficult of getting in OOS compared to IS for state schools would be to go to collegeboard.com or another college site and see the demographic breakdown for in-state vs. out-of-state students. If there is a very high ratiio of in-state to out-of-state (like UIUC's 9:1), it usually means the school isn't attractive to out-of-staters or it's very difficult to get in out-of-state. Look for a school with a more favorable ratio (like Michigan's 2:1), and that will be a good indicator that not only is it not very difficult for OOSers to get in, but also draws them for one reason or another.</p>
<p>UIUC isn't hard for out of staters at all, in fact the low percentage may even give an edge as they get few applications from out of state and need to fill the spots.</p>
<p>i am living testament to someone who got into michigan, low sat's and i am a B+ student across the board (my school doesn't do GPA'S), had good ec's, good recomm. but honestly nothing truly outstanding at least to me. Frankly i was surprised that i got in, too bad i am not going. Good luck.</p>
<p>what are low SAT's?</p>
<p>high 1100's old score.</p>
<p>i honestly wasn't too impressed when i visited, plus its filled with tons of long island kids I just want a change no offense to anyone, the dorms were HORRIBLE. and just the feeling of the campus was not for me, but it is a great school, great rep.......gear up for coooooooooold winters.</p>
<p>I am just trying to figure out if UMich is a Reach or match school for me.</p>
<p>GPA 3.875
SAT taking again but 620 Writing 610 Reading 600 Math
ECs and recs are really good (does umich even look at that stuff, considering they get so many applicants?)</p>
<p>Other schools im thinking about (chances?)
USC
NYU
Georgetown (business)</p>
<p>and a safty instate school</p>
<p>i think u will get in michigan.
If you are the top 10% of your high school class, get above 1200 on your SAT and you will have a good chance to get in lsa. (or if you are black or other URM, be top 30%, 3.2 gpa, and 1000 SAT and pay the application fee)</p>
<p>Both your GPA and SAT's are well below the Michigan mean, but if your ECs are as good as you say, you still have a decent shot.</p>
<p>new sat scores, 640 reading, 640 math and writting went down so 620 is still my best.</p>
<p>Does that change anything?</p>
<p>i think an OOS students should have no worries.. assuming that its tougher for an international student to get in compared to an OOS.. i think its pretty easy to get into U Mich.. take me for example.. im from india.. had a 35/42 predicted in the IB.. 1910 in SAT ( wri - 600 reading - 590 math - 720).. i did take 2 SAT 2s though.. 740 and 730.. these scores aint that great but proved to be enough for michigan.. so an OOS student which such kinda stats should get in..</p>
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Your assumption is wrong and completely foundless. Int'l and OOS applicants are in different pools.</p>
<p>Btw, I know quite a int'l applicants here who got deferred with better stats than yours.</p>
<p>ohh.. then i may be wrong.. but arent american citizens given preference as compared to intl students.. thats what i always thought.. theyr american institutions after all.. the entire purpose of the govt setting them up is to educate americans firstly.. intl students apply just coz these are some of the best educational institutions in the world..</p>
<p>honestly, I think this is all conjecture. Given our space constraints and the crazy admissions process from this year, it'll be hard to tell. I think there have been some major changes in selectivity and will be around for the next 4-5 years.</p>
<p>KB</p>
<p>Lampard, you assume wrong. OOS applicants and international applicants are on equal ground. International students are generally given some slack on the verbal section of the SAT, which explains why you got in with a 1900. You probably got over a 700 on the math and under a 600 on the verbal.</p>
<p>By and large, non URM students with unweighed GPAs under 3.6 (from good high schools and taking a tough courseload) and SAT/ACT below 1250/26 don't get in. Applicants with unweighed GPAs over 3.9 and SAT/ACT over 1400/32 are generally admitted. Students in the middle have a 50% chance. That's very unscientific of course, but by and large, given the hundreds of cases I have been involved in, it's a pretty accurate summary.</p>
<p>this actually sounds like news to me.. cause over here.. we students have always been told ( by counsellors etc.) that universities, though proud of accepting good quality intl students, would give preferences to American citizens.. which explains why some students (with average scores) from my class holding a green card got in easily to places where better students didnt.. well it may be a misconception.. but thats the general theory followed around here.. which was what made me make that assumption..
anyways.. was just trying to bring out a point.. hope it helped.. atleast intl students dont need to worry too much if theyve messed up theyr verbal sections of theyr SATs.. :p</p>
<p>lampard, you might not know but it isn't easy for students in the US to get into Michigan!</p>
<p>i have a few friends (American citizens) who got wait-listed/rejected with SAT scores over 2050.</p>
<p>The college process is pretty random.</p>
<p>If you're an international student and an IB student, then its actually easier.</p>
<p>yeah i think i assumed wrongly.. sorry for the confusion.. the admission process is surely very random.. u never what they really like in your application..</p>
<p>i know of someone who had a 4.28 cum and a 2100 sat and got rejected in-state for engineering...</p>