<p>Also good to remember modern women are looking less for a man who will provide financial stability and more for a man who will provide emotional balance. </p>
<p>Now that women, thankfully, are almost on equal socioeconomic footing with men, the days of the male breadwinner, female housewife are over. </p>
<p>Want to get a girl? Flaunt your intellect, not your wallet.</p>
<p>Enginox, you are a moron. There are infinitely more opportunities to meet women in college, if the right one falls in your lap, why wouldn’t you enter into a serious relationship? Give me a cogent reason. I dare you.</p>
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<p>I respectfully disagree. For one thing, you talk about love as if it’s something you can easily switch on and off. Secondly, what’s the harm in being in a serious relationship early on? My college roommate was in a relationship with his high school sweetheart throughout college and married her afterwards. I have another friend who did the same with her boyfriend from high school; they were together for 8 or 9 years before they were even engaged.</p>
<p>Not in your interest; girlfriends can interfere. In lieu, I would advise one-night stands, and you can do much better when you are making the engineering money.</p>
<p>"Also good to remember modern women are looking less for a man who will provide financial stability and more for a man who will provide emotional balance.</p>
<p>Now that women, thankfully, are almost on equal socioeconomic footing with men, the days of the male breadwinner, female housewife are over.</p>
<p>Want to get a girl? Flaunt your intellect, not your wallet. "</p>
<p>Bull…Crap/</p>
<p>I’m a regular looking really built guy making 12 dollars an hour. Guess what? I’m having LOTS of trouble(im 23) getting dates with women. Yes, I can get the initial date. However, they find out I’m a low wage worker they leave.</p>
<p>Tried Calc 1 a year ago. Did really bad. Now, I am going to try a business degree…</p>
<p>I was browsing the engineering section to see if you guys were having trouble dating too. Which it seems you are.</p>
<p>Modern women have these UN-REASONABLE expectations</p>
<p>bodybuilder+good job+good looking= The only way to get a decent looking girl these days.</p>
<p>That’s just to get the initial date. If there is one thing she doesn’t like about your personaility. Guess what? Your outta there</p>
<p>I am considering just meeting some women from another country. It’s REALLY bad in America for guys</p>
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<p>Please elaborate.</p>
<p>Boneh3ad, IF one finds the ideal partner, sure. Now, how often do people find their ideal partners? </p>
<p>Ken285, you are generalizing out of two anecdotal incidents. You also suggest high schoolers make better marriage decisions than adults. I ask, what % of high school sweethearts end divorced within 5, 10, 15 years?</p>
<p>Both of you suggest that college is the best time to find a life partner. It is not. One has to take into account career paths have not been established at that point, life compromises must be made (one of the 2 might have to give up a dream goal), and if one of either has significant debt, that will affect the other tremendously. Would you marry that nice girl $30k in debt while you are nearly debt free? </p>
<p>Cooldudemanus, I don’t know where you meet your women, but I’d recommend a library to meet the highest quality women and men (my
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<p>That is absolutely not what I’m saying. I am simply saying that it’s POSSIBLE to find your lifelong partner early in life. The overwhelming majority do not, but why avoid it if you meet that special someone?</p>
<p>Enginox. you missed my point</p>
<p>It’s much more important for a guy to have a good job than a girl. Not as important as it once was. However, none the less still important</p>
<p>And how would you know (s)he is the special one?</p>
<p>Cooldudemanus, both need to have similar employment level. Obviously, many women and men would prefer to marry partners who have “good” jobs. Thankfully, there is a reasonable level where it becomes less tedious to date.</p>
<p>You wouldn’t know at first, but that’s why we date.</p>
<p>To use a sports analogy… if I were a player on the Pittsburgh Pirates, I’d still do my best to go 162-0. Will that happen? Most likely no. Does that mean the team should give up in Spring Training and not even bother playing the season? Absolutely not.</p>
<p>ken - Elaborating, women tend to be dream-killers if they get close. They crave attention, so they see the studies as competition. Thus they may persuade one not to study as long as one should, or even to seek a less lucrative major to increase their perceived standing because of this nation’s long-standing tradition of vilifying ‘nerds’.</p>
<p>Another way of analysing: how can a third party benefit one’s academic situation if things are in order? Best case - it does nothing, worst case - it can sink the GPA like the Titanic.</p>
<p>Best to stay away from the girlfriends, and stick to one-night stands in order to keep the libido under control.</p>
<p>I agree with you if and only if we also agree there is a difference between dating and a serious relationship.</p>
<p>Wow, a lot of generalizing going on in here. Just imagine what women would think about you if they read this thread! You could definitely cross them off your list. ;)</p>
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Vanagandr, it appears we have fundamental differences and I don’t think we’ll ever be able to come to an agreement, so all I will say is that I disagree with the above. Yes I’m sure there are some here and there who fit that description, but as a general description of all women? No way.</p>
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<p>STDs also can torpedo a GPA pretty quickly, in addition to severely affecting one’s ability to attact and nurture a future relationship once you decide to settle down.</p>
<p>Wow, this thread got interesting fast!</p>
<p>(1) Financial and career planning varies wildly between couples. Some couples will want (or need) to have a stay-at-home parent if they have kids, and some are aware of that pretty early, even in college. Some couples will see a big swing in salary because of career choices - I know several women who are married to men who make significantly less than they do!</p>
<p>(2) College is a fine time to meet your prospective spouse, it just gets tricky for engineers - most women are not thinking in terms of “what makes a long-term mate” in time to pick up on the nice guys with good career prospects, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try! Especially since engineering is really not a career overflowing with chances to meet women (I would recommend acting - the ratio of straight women to straight men is atypically 3:1 or more!).</p>
<p>(3) The dating scene is really nto that bad - as hard as it may be for cooldude to believe, most people who WANT to get partnered up will do so happily. Most of those who don’t fail because of their own issues, not anyone else’s - perhaps you are not so good looking and charming as you think, perhaps you are rejecting women who would be perfect for you because they just aren’t “hot” enough, perhaps you do not really have the kind of attitude and nehaviors that make women think “long-term partner”.</p>
<p>(4) No one knows where, when, or how to find your “ideal” partner. I have friends from high school who married shortly after and are so sickeningly happy it sickens you. My sister did not meet her husband until she was more than a decade out of college. I met my wife in our junior year of college - still going strong. No one call tell you when it is right, you have to decide that for yourself, and some people will be wrong. C’est la amour. For myself, my wife was not nearly the first woman I dated, but there was a realization that having her in my life was more important than other things - she was not the “hottest” woman I dated, nor the one with the matching or even lucrative career choice, but she was the one I fell in love with. If I could explain that in a way that you could use, I would write a book and make millions…</p>
<p>(5) Dating in college can affect your gpa down OR up, depending on whether it is a distraction or a motivator, and also depending on what kind of student you are. Mine went up considerably once I started dating my wife. Look at it this way - the hours that you spend with your significant other, where are you taking them from? Study time, TV time, hang out with the guys time? There is plenty of time, you just need to decide how you are going to spend it. And a woman who does not understand that you cannot tear your life apart to match her schedule is a woman you do nto want to be with - you want a partner, not a master.</p>
<p>(6) I don’t have an objection to “friendly” one-night stands, as long as both (or all) are aware of the terms and the risks, but it is important to note that this should really be a seperate issue - for most people, dating is not just a way of “keeping the libido under control.”</p>
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<p>That is a problem with both girlfriends and one-night stands. It is not as if the single girls sit on their beds twiddling their thumbs because they do not have a boyfriend…</p>
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<p>From my observations and accounts, my general description is accurate. Whether we disagree is irrelevant; what benefit do I derive from you, of all people, agreeing with me?</p>
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<p>For example, frequent one-night-stands just to keep your libido under control?</p>
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<p>I would like to throw in that this was my experience exactly.</p>
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<p>There is an absolutely huge amount of scientific evidence that suggests that STD’s are much more common among the group of people who have frequent one-night-stands as compared to those who usually have more serious relationships. Of course, there is only one way to prevent them entirely and who wants to do that, but there are some lifestyle choices that will greatly increase your chances… frequent one-night-stands is one of those.</p>
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<p>Listen, serious relationships are not about one partner craving attention and trying to run the show. If your relationship is that way, either you are uncommon, or there are some other issues that you might want to address yourself. A serious, committed relationship is a partnership. It is a lot of “we” instead of “I” and that sort of relationship will in no way detract from your education. It is the crappy relationships that precede those good ones that can hurt your grades. However, how are you ever going to find your perfect partner if you aren’t willing to stick your neck out there a little bit and fall flat on your face once in a while first? I think we have all have at least one token crazy ex.</p>