<p>CollectivSynergy I agree with you that women are more quick witted on average. This is because most men think with the wrong head. Any man who doesn't do that can outwit any women like that since most of women's quick wittednes comes from sexual appeal. Take that awai and boom. And BerkleySenior is no better than the men who objectify women sexually. You are doing the same thing when you are generalizing men as some sort of sex crazed beasts.</p>
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<p>Uh, American men aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing. You're assuming that there's few hot girls compared to hot guys (single men?) when in reality it's pretty equal. The ratio is definitely not as skewed as you think. </p>
<p>Obesity</a> In America - Obesity, BMI Demographics
Statistics from Obesity in America:
# Approximately 62 percent of female Americans are considered overweight.</p>
<h1>Approximately 67 percent of male Americans are considered overweight.</h1>
<p>Agreed, collegehopeful78.</p>
<p>It's not that women are less capable in engineering and physics, it's that far, far fewer are psychologically predisposed to those fields than men. /shrug. I respect people who become research scientists more than almost anyone. It's a tough, not extremely lucrative job that's continually stressful. One grant to the next to the next to the next...</p>
<p>Your stereotype of men is somewhat insulting, by the way. Men typically have strong sex drives and I'm not different, but obsessed with sex? I'll bet you'd pull an offended act if I said all women are obsessed with clothes/shoes? Strong sex drive does not equal obsession.</p>
<p>About intelligence - I assure you I'm not overestimating. You can dismiss this as my being cocky/brash/arrogant/other typical male trait if you want. I don't have anything to prove to you.</p>
<p>Edit: Wow 6 posts before I finished. Berkeley, are you really going by BMI? Men are more likely to bulk up on muscle = high BMI. Tom Cruise and Will Smith are "overweight" using BMI standards. As is Tom Brady (Don't believe me? Put his stats in). Because of that, men are almost always going to have a higher overweight %. Though I'm not sure what this has to do with anything</p>
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This is because most men think with the wrong head. Any man who doesn't do that can outwit any women like that since most of women's quick wittednes comes from sexual appeal. Take that awai and boom.
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Is this what you tell yourself to comfort and alleviate your inferiority complex? That women's intellect and witty repartee stem from sexual appeal?</p>
<p>Btw women are more shallow. Judging by height is 10 times worse than judging by weight. You can control weight but last time I checked you can only control height to the point you can maybe gain an inch by stretching.</p>
<p>Berkeley, by scientists I'm considered overweight. At one point I was considered obese even though I had a 6 pack. That is because I work out and muscle is very heavy, not because I'm fat. Considering that most men that workout will inevitably become "overweight" by medical standards, it isn't really fair to use those stats since they are lumping the fat guys with the muscled one's. Don't get me started with how stupid BMI is for measuring fitness. It's retarded.</p>
<p>Anyway, my main point was that although women are important to men in both countries, that the one's approached by men in America are much fewer in proportion. A smaller % of girls are desired by a greater % of guys, which develops their different attitude.</p>
<p>No BerkelySenior I don't have an inferiorty complex. Most guys who realize that fact usually have a superiorty complex over men and women. Other men will get used and women won't be able to use them. I am sure anyone in that place suffers from nothing but respect and extreme praise for themselves.</p>
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However, there's no way the avg. male height in the US is anything above 5'10. I'd say it's 5'9" max, and that's what most sources say...
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<p>You gotta be kidding me, most guys I come across are at least 5'8" and everyone is like, 5'9"-6'0". It's more common to see men above 5'9" and less common to see men under that.</p>
<p>It's not 5'9" for white guys. Being 5'9" myself I can honestly say that although I'm taller than the majority of minorities, I'm shorter than the majority of males to a small degree. For white guys, slightly above 5'10" seems right for average. But he could be right given the larger hispanic population in the USA.</p>
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Berkeley, are you really going by BMI?
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<p>According to the OBESITY website the statistics came from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: National Center for Health Statistics. I'm assuming the CDCP is smart enough to figure this out. </p>
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A smaller % of girls are desired by a greater % of guys, which develops their different attitude.
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<p>Guys who are attractive personality-wise (and physically) shouldn't have a problem in either country. And most of time, personality determines far more. </p>
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Btw women are more shallow. Judging by height is 10 times worse than judging by weight.
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<p>Um, okay...</p>
<p>They're too lazy to do a proper study. Either that or they don't have the money, or just don't care. They have to measure bodyfat levels and whatnot instead of relying on something as convenient and stupid as BMI. BMI only measured weight in relation to height. Doesn't measure body composition and doesn't even consider gender differences like bone mass, etc.</p>
<p>FYI, BMI is just some bogus formula developed in the 1800s.</p>
<p>Berkeley, I'm not saying that those guys should have problems in America. However, it would undoubtedly be MUCH easier for them in a country such as Ukraine, which is definitely true in my experience.</p>
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<p>Physical attractiveness and proximity are the initial attraction features for the first few dates actually.</p>
<p>and btw that BMI index hasn't changed for the last 30 yrs, so I dont think anyone could realistically trust it....</p>
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Physical attractiveness and proximity are the initial attraction features for the first few dates actually.
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<p>Most of my relationships started from friendships. I wasn't always attracted to the guy initially, but it developed later on.</p>
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Berkeley, I'm not saying that those guys should have problems in America. However, it would undoubtedly be MUCH easier for them in a country such as Ukraine, which is definitely true in my experience.
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<p>How many women do you need?</p>
<p>Okay I actually bothered to check the source since you were not courteous enough to do so for the data you originally presented. The study used BMI. It's not that they're not smart enough to realize it's very flawed, it's that there's no alternative that's as cheap and easy for large numbers of people.</p>
<p>So what if it used BMI? America is still extremely overweight compared to the rest of the world, using BMI as the standard measurement. (Or maybe Americans just have more muscle eh? )</p>
<p>Berkeley, I never said anything about needing more than one woman. But obtaining and keeping a decent woman is easier in Ukraine because they are in larger abundance and will actually approach guys.</p>
<p>And what do you mean "so what they used BMI?"? I said that you can't compare men's and women's BMI scores in order to compare actual rates of obesity between the sexes, which is what you were trying to do.</p>
<p>Its not about finding a girl. Its about finding one that doesn't believe the world and relationship revolves around her. The girls who treat guys the best are usually not the prettiest. But girls with an ugly ducking syndrome are the best in both cultures.</p>
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Have you been to/lived in Europe? One of my parents is from Europe and women think the same EVERYWHERE. I have no idea where you guys come up with this.
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<p>LOL!!! These are the same “geniuses” who think women in Asia don’t think about aesthetics or material things as well.</p>
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Sorry, but there is more to beauty that face. Body is important. Not only that, but bodyfat levels HIGHLY change the features of the face. Speaking of facial features, they differ by ethnicity and I prefer eastern Europeans. They have bigger lips unlike the lipless Northern/Western Europeans. And I like how you're using voluptuous to euphemize fat and disgusting.
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<p>Uhh, sorry. But universal beauty is about facial symmetry (yes, there are other factors such as shape of nose, chin, distance of eyes from other features, etc. – but symmetry is the MOST IMPT. factor). </p>
<p>W/ regard to body shape, the preferences there vary. Some people like the ubder-thin models on the catwalk, others like the SI swimsuit-type, some go for the “J-lo”-type butt, etc.</p>
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They are culturally and behaviorally completely different. When I went to Ukraine, I was approached by a woman before I even left the airport.
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<p>Uhh, that’s b/c people in Ukraine are desperate to get out (Ukraine has one of the highest suicide rates/rates of depression) and see “wealthy” foreigners as a means to get out.</p>
<p>There are total LOSERS who troll their way through E Europe or SE Asia and think women there are "god's gift to man". And not surprisingly, these same LOSERS have nothing but contempt for American/Canadian women.</p>
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And what do you mean "so what they used BMI?"? I said that you can't compare men's and women's BMI scores in order to compare actual rates of obesity between the sexes, which is what you were trying to do.
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You want me to honestly believe that American men are overweight because they work out? Cut the garbage please. American men are fat. Period.</p>