<p>Anyone know the last time the student body tore down the posts after a win?</p>
<p>I don't know, but I was at the USC game last year and when we all THOUGHT ND had won because there was NO TIME left on the clock all the students stormed the field but then they had to be held back so that Reggie Bush could push ballroom dancer into the end zone...</p>
<p>They probably have the kind that you can't tear down. Most big schools have gone to those. Sorry to disappoint :)</p>
<p>Yeah, I saw a video of all of the students on the field. Disheartening. And I think ND does have the posts that are indestructable. But those wouldn't have been available in the 90s, so some time then is when they would have fallen last, if not in the 80s.</p>
<p>we woulda found a way to tear them down against usc last year if we had won. i dont care if they are called destructable, that means nothing to us college students after what would have been a huge win like that</p>
<p>I am smiling at your post. You have obviously never seen the shots of students climing all the way to the top of these things and literally covering every foot of the structure. They are, in FACT, not able to be brought down by human beings alone. Now if you think you can get a backhoe down there...</p>
<p>The manufacturer of these new posts was quoted saying, "...all bets are off if the students use [first down] chains and television cables."</p>
<p>I don't believe there's <em>ever</em> been an incident of the indestructible goalposts being brought down.</p>
<p>And finally, if students brought chains and cables onto the field, I think that'd be classified as vandalism, with intent to damage. Not too bright, and certainly above the intelligence of the average ND student ;)</p>
<p>The students wouldn't have to bring chains and cables on the field. They are already there (1st down marker and television cables). And it's vandalism if they climb on them in the first place, whether they use extra things or not.</p>
<p>Climbing on a goalpost is not vandalizing a field or post. Bringing down the goalpost is. So if a bunch of students run onto the field and shimmy up the posts, it's not vandalism, because <em>no</em> damage has occurred. It's about results and, ultimately, intent. </p>
<p>Climbing the goalposts by exuberant students could certainly be interpreted as a different intent than taking the field chains and using them to do damage. The latter is vandalism; the former is not.</p>
<p>Just out of curiousity, can you give examples of kids actually taking the newer indestructible goalposts down? My husband works in college athletics and he's never seen it at his schools nor heard of it happening with these new posts. Just curious. If so, please post a link.</p>
<p>It happened once: </p>
<p>Read the section next to the picture of Dooley.</p>
<p>I find it laughable that Kansas State officials are so stupid as to let students actually bring cables and then sit and watch them work for over an hour to try to destroy a very expensive piece of equipment. Where was security? The local police? Pure stupidity. </p>
<p>At least they probably only had the costs of resetting the posts, however. They are indestructible, unlike the other posts that could be fairly easily broken into a million pieces. And evidently it requires more than just the chains from the field markers :)</p>
<p>At any rate, the example you gave was clearly vandalism and willful destruction of property. It would be interesting to see if they charged them after the fact.</p>
<p>Some are usually charged with vandalism/disorderly conduct everytime posts are torn down. </p>
<p>As for this particular situation, there were probably 15,000 students on the field and they were too forceful. </p>
<p>And the new posts are NOT industructable. Yes, they are very difficult to bring down but it can be done. Who cares if they can't be broken into many pieces. That's not the point anyways. Once they fall, the goal has been accomplished.</p>