<p>So is that it, whatever we can't explain we attribute to a god? We may explain it next year, so that god would come down. If we can't explain the origin of the gasses, can we explain the origin of a god? What? God always was? Maybe the gasses always were!</p>
<p>Oh dear.</p>
<p>One:</p>
<p>Creationism/Theory of Evolution aren't mutually exclusive. It's possible to believe in a combination of both. Many people think that God 'guided' the evolutionary process.</p>
<p>Aaaaand by the way, you know how the Bible was originally written in Hebrew? Well, the word for 'day' in Hebrew can also mean 'period of time.' Such as a loooong period of time. This means that just because the Bible said 'day' not every Christian believes that all of this happened in a week.</p>
<p>Two:</p>
<p>Please, let's stay away from calling all Christians close-minded or stupid. This is very bad form. There are plenty of very nice Christians who also believe in evolution, and even if they don't believe in evolution, they shouldn't be judged or called 'stupid.' You don't want them judging you for believing in evolution, so you shouldn't judge them for their beliefs.</p>
<p>Three:</p>
<p>There are aspects of how the universe was created that even science can't explain. Science isn't always the answer for everything, just like religion (any religion, not just Christianity) isn't the answer for everything. Both sides have to realize this one and just concede to the fact that not everyone is going to agree.</p>
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<p>I'm not exactly sure that this should be discussed online. You know the whole article about PDS? Well, people are bound to be opinionated, immature, and completely MEAN when discussing religion. </p>
<p>(Erm... so I believe in evolution or maybe later a mix of evolution/creation, but I'm not exactly Christian. Just being Devil's Advocate over here because discussions like this are given to sweeping generalizations.)</p>
<p>Creationism's kind of hard to swallow if I don't believe in the existence of any deity.</p>
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Ok, thats fine. But who created the gases? its not like stuff is just there.
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<p>Nothing was there, and there was no "space" in which pre-existing material could exist because it was all created in the Big Bang itself. I know that's kind of a cop-out, but think of this way - we're talking about a situation in which space-time is infinitely curved, where all the matter in the universe is existing in a point singularity - the 0th dimension. </p>
<p>The physics of it are VERY complicated, so of course they are going to be counter-intuitive, and on a wholly superficial level appear not to make sense. Welcome to theoretical physics. We can't conceive of quite a few things in the universe - the vast distances between stars, or the curvature of spacetime - because our brains simply aren't built to do those kinds of things. That doesn't mean they lack theoretical validity.</p>
<p>Clearly, there WAS something absolutely beyond our comprehension that created the universe. But to count that as evidence for the Abrahamic god that wrote the ten commandments and created humans is faulty logic at best and ridiculous pseudophilosophical posturing at worst.</p>
<p>Evolution makes no sense. Are there still some monkeys out there that will turn into human beings? How do we know?
So what are we gunna evolve into next? Snakes? Or Birds?
I guess a scientist will determine it all for us..</p>
<p>^austin, I think you should actually try to know more about what evolution actually says. Evolution is not totally about the stereotypical and "alarming" thought of how humans were not there at the first place and more alarmingly evolved from MONKEYS!!! Hint: just look at "common ancestry"</p>
<p>I think the lack of knowledge on a certain matter simply creates greater chaos, and hatred. Knowledge truly is the power! As I said before this is called THEORY of EVOLUTION, not FACTUALITY (is that a word? D:) Of Evolution or something. So, people can definitely take different stands, and you can't conclude based on a theory about what is right and kind of impose it on somebody or think s/he is stupid.</p>
<p>One of the many differences between science and religion is that science concedes that it is not the absolute truth - theories can be disproven, but only logically (i.e., not because someone believes/puts faith into the contrary). This is a trait of rational thought, not a shortcoming of science.</p>
<p>By definition, faith is the opposite of rationality. Religion argues that there is an absolute truth - God, which is why many non-religious people consider them to be "stubborn or close-minded". </p>
<p>@Austin, perhaps if you had even an elementary understanding of evolutionary biology, you would know that there are logical answers to all of your questions.</p>
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Ok, thats fine. But who created the gases? its not like stuff is just there.
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<p>Good question, the answer is that science doesn't know yet (although it is able to explain the earliest microseconds of the universe up until time = 0). Scientists do not attempt to fabricate truth, they simply admit that they don't know. This lack of proof is not proof that God exists, it is simply that - a lack of proof, which may or may not be explained in the future.</p>
<p>^If I'm not wrong, most religions also say that a religious person (whatever his/her religion is) must be tolerant of other religions, and of other types of people. If that was not the case, the actual religious people would have created far complicated issues and we could have had hundreds of thousands of religious vs. non religious wars!</p>
<p>That hypothesis is somewhat disproven by the crusades, the Salem witch trials, and the Middle East in general :)</p>
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had hundreds of thousands of religious vs. non religious wars!
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well, you see I said HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS more. (sorry, I didn't include "more" last time). All the battles that happened are not part of any religious constituitions. None of the religions endorse a person to go on killing people.....Salem Witch Trials, Crusades, Middle East....well, these are not totally based on religious purposes, although that's the most dominating reason..even then, the reasoning of all these laws are flawed and not at all recommended by any of those religions.</p>
<p>That's a good point. I guess religion itself can be positive, but man's interpretation of it is flawed. If I were religious myself, I would argue that man is not perfect, and that is reflected in his choice of actions.</p>
<p>Yah, it is RELIGION that teaches us to have compassion for others.
I'm not too sure about others.. (i.e., look right above @50)</p>
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THEORY of EVOLUTION
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<p>We should clear something up here, though. A "theory" in scientific terminology isn't like a "theory" in the common usage, i.e. a guess. The only thing that can be a "fact" in science is the data itself. So, a fossil is a fact. So is the tendency of a rock to fall to the ground.</p>
<p>The model that provides an explanation for why the data exists and makes testable predictions is called a scientific theory if it is very accurate and has a lot of supporting evidence. We call it the "theory of evolution" for the same reason that we call it "the theory of gravity" - because it is the best possible explanation for the data that exists. The process isn't called a "fact" simply because that term is reserved for the data itself, not because scientists want to leave open the possibility of creationism.</p>
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that's cuz the 55% of the ppl that believe in creationism are all uneducated. VERY uneducated. and very gullible.
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<p>Wow! Did you really need to say that. I find that quite offensive, seeing that many religious people are quite educated. </p>
<p>Anyways....I'm a muslim, and here is a site that can start you off with what Muslims say about Evolution</p>
<p>Evolution</a> and Islam</p>
<p>Islam:</a> Evolution in the light of Quran- Discovery of Science</p>
<p>austin:you are not too sure about others, coz, look right above @ 47, second paragraph)</p>
<p>jack: u r very correct. That is the meaning I meant when I said so. "best possible explanation" yet is NOT "THE Explanation".........that's all I'm saying...it's not established in lay men's term as a fact then...but, although the majority of scientific community would view it in a different perspective definitely!</p>
<p>Thanks for the editing. At least you change your stance and say something which carries substance, unlike some.</p>
<p>someone read my links and reply..I just want to know your opinions. I don't really want to argue, just want to read your "observations." and see if you know where I am coming from when I say I do not believe in Evolution in the way it's specifically made out to be.</p>
<p>what do you mean? </p>
<p>See religions (monotheistic ones) in general disprove Evolution to a degree (now, I'm no evolution OR religious expert.....so, I don't wanna make specific examples and get it wrong.....which wud be terrible)....the part that religions oppose is the part of human being.....they point out that evolution shows the insuperiorty of human kind in relation to say just a monkey. But, reemphasizing, evolution is not just all about men evolved from monkeys (which is not exactly what evolution says either!)
If you wanna get into what particular religion thinks about evolution, that'd create another level to this current discussion which may end up as a thread for religious hatred....(u know why I said that right? ;))</p>