<p>What are some good acceleaated programs for medicine that do not require one to take the MCAT at all I know that VCU and GWU have such programs but what are others?</p>
<p>Take MCAT even if in bs/md, you will possibly have more choices.</p>
<p>^That doesn’t answer the question. OP, take a look at the prestige obsessed site. Look it up through google, it’s a blog that has a list of programs with their descriptions.</p>
<p>There are actually good number of non-MCAT bs/md’s. But I would advise taking it. You will have fun and opportunities to check out several Med. Schools, mix with current med. students, attend some awesome events (sometime with posh hotel accomodations, limos, spending evening in bars with current students) see how they live and have choices at the end.</p>
<p>check before committing to an MCAT free program… some will forfeit your acceptance to med school if you take it</p>
<p>sbu/gw is one of them that isnt that hard to get into.</p>
<p>I was premed and had good grades but was one of the 80% that didn’t get into a medical school. However, my D is in her 2nd year of a 8 yr BA/MD program. She picked it over an ivy! </p>
<p>It is the way to go since she will not have to go for 2 dozen medical school interviews and not 200-300 hours of study for MCATs. </p>
<p>The most important thing is the 80 kids in the college program stick together despite some being upper classmen. There is no cut throat competion since everyone works together like a sports team. When I went to school it was every man (or woman) for himself regarding grades in labs, recommendations, extra points etc. With my D she just has to maintain a 3.5 gpa. so she will have more of a college experience than beating her brains out in the ivy league. The ones graduating medical school give their apartments to the freshman entering Med school and it is like a big fraternity.</p>
<p>Finally, if you feel in your heart you want to be a doctor be focused and get through it now since you will be 30 or 31 when you hang your shingle.</p>
<p>^My D. was in a similar program, but decided to apply out. Awesome experience and great choices at the end. D. had a luxury to apply to very few Med. Schools of her own pick, knowing that she has a spot. Great advantage over others. No cut throat whatever, but she managed all As in UG and had fun with Greek, Music minor, trip abroad, no summer classes and all other regular college experiences. She did not have any aspiration to apply to Ivy’s, she applied only to bs/md programs and was accepted to 3 and choose non-accelerated that allow to apply out. I would not advise anybody to focus too much though, UG is a great experience only if you make it so, and you should. It is time to explore, grow. Narrow focus on getting yourself into Med. School is missing whole lot of opportunities that are out there. D. is at Med. School outside of her bs/md.</p>
<p>A friend of mine is an MD who teaches at an ivy med school. She advised they are getting 15 “uber applicants” for each slot. By uber she advised people who have 4.0 gpa, nearly perfect mcats and either are concert pianists, had leukemia at age 8 or , escaped a despotic country crossing a river as a child and learning english. She pounded into my D take the american med school slot since neuroscience degrees even from top schools are a dime a dozen undergrad.</p>
<p>My D will have an entire senior year to take whatever she wants since she received 30 credits from so many AP courses in high school and from summer schools at 2 different ivies. Also the med school she picked does research into neuroscience so that will help her fellowship/residency goals. </p>
<p>People do not realize that you have 500k premed majors starting in college with 80k highly qualified bio and chem grads coming out fighting for only 16k american med school slots. Also the difference between the top med schools and the lower ones is much smaller than the spread of the top colleges to a state college. You make your bones on where you do your residency and fellowship and that is based on performance in medical school ,“people” skills, interviews, research etc.</p>
<p>Also some combined programs kick you out if you take the mcats or apply to other med schools so caveat emptor.</p>
<p>Raycmr:</p>
<p>Where are you getting those numbers from? Considering that only about 1.5 million people go to college each year, it seems somewhat unlikely that 1/3 of those students start out premed…</p>
<p>"Also the difference between the top med schools and the lower ones is much smaller than the spread of the top colleges to a state college. "</p>
<p>-Agree with first half, disagree with second, as Med. School do not care about applicant’s UG, they care about college GPA. In addition, all who attend state public colleges (including very top caliber students from private prep. HSs, all bs/md applicants are very top caliber students) are challenged greatly and have to work extremely hard to maintain high GPA needed to either apply to Med. Schools regular route or retain your spot in bs/md. GPA=3.5 is not easy to get, there is not single UG that is easy out there, not the lowest ranked, none.</p>
<p>@agnijay, 1/3 of people starting out as premed may seem high, but it is not that out there. I am in a bs/md program now, and not even at a top-caliber college. EVERYONE is pre-med, so so many people. Obviously by the end of their four years many will have switched paths, but I do believe at least 1/3 of my freshman class is currently on the ‘pre-med’ track. I remember reading a statistic at Dartmouth that 1/2 the school follows the pre-med society’s newsletter.</p>
<p>Most of the people who start out pre-med end up going another track whether it be not having good enough grades/too much work or simply finding some other passion, or a combination of both.</p>
<p>Yes, the good pre-med program woudl have weed out killer class first semester of Freshman year, so less people are having doubts later after many more classes are wasted. If you feel that first semester is incredibly hard (including those who did not even plan to take the first class due to AP credits, but signed up for it anyway), you are at the right place. Just push harder if you are up to it or think about other professional options.</p>
<p>I was told them on an college tour 18 months ago. I did at least 18 tours of most ivies and baby ivies and two NJ state schools. The reason no one touts the 20 percent med school acceptance and lies about getting 40 percent or higher is schools who are concerned about their batting average just don’t write letters for kids they deem not eligible for med school. With a letter from their premed committee your chances are nearly zilch. Some schools will write for everybody. It is a dirty little secret.</p>
<p>Correction WITHOUT a letter from the committee … </p>
<p>Also those not weeded out the freshmen year get crushed the 2nd year taking Organic chemistry with the “mechanisms” which are very difficult to memorize. </p>
<p>Another fact I learned is chem majors have a higher rate of acceptance than bio since they are fewer in number.</p>
<p>There are joint programs for engineers and scientists, biology majors who do tremendous amounts of public service, humanity majors who just take the core science courses.</p>
<p>^It is not a secret, most are aware of how this statistics is obtained, that is why paying attention to this type of stats is a waste of time. Just do your best at any place, get as close as possible to 4.0, which is very attainable, and you will be all set. And again, major should not be decided based on acceptance rate, choose what you personally prefer. Being at the place that matches you the best and in major that you love will insure that best results, stop wasting your precious time on stats, they are misleading.</p>
<p>One of the baby ivies that I highly respect told me that they write for everyone. Their acceptance rate was close to 50 % but they counted grads who took up to 10 years after their UG degree to get into Med School because many received their MA/MS or went into the Peace Corp. first.</p>