got a likely letter from unc what does this mean for my other school

Colleges & Universities A-Z University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
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<p>vc08</p>

<p>If you re-read my post you will see that I used the word matriculation…UNC is legislatively bound to cap OOS matriculation (enrollment) at 18%. </p>

<p>Despite the fact that they have creatively found a way to slightly increase that number by counting OOS scholarship students as in-state, the net gain is still less than 2 %.</p>

<p>UVA has an OOS population in excess of 30 percent…any way you want to look at it, statistically, the odds are better for an OOS student applicant in a 30 plus percent pool than in an 18-20 percent pool.</p>

<p>I NEVER brought up SAT scores or average HS GPAs …this is NOT a beauty contest. Both are very fine schools that are tough admits for an OOS student; statistically, UNC is a bit tougher admission…18 percent is less than 30 percent…that’s all I said.</p>

<p>The schools have different personalities, UVA is preppier, a bit more “northern” due to the heavy enrollment from the DC metro area, and more conservative overall. UNC is more liberal, has under the last two deans of admission made it less of a numbers game and taken a far more wholistic approach to admission and has more socioeconomic diversity among the student body.</p>

<p>A degree from either school will open many doors and should not be taken lightly. Don’t fall into the trap that higher SAT scores means a better school because it just isn’t the case. Each school has its respective strengths and weaknesses. The most important factor is fit…which school is best for a given candidate? They are very similar but also very different places. Make sure that the fit is best for you, and we are not talking about which has the higher average SAT scores.</p>

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<p>ead, when you say liberal compared to UVa could you be more specific.</p>

<p>I’ve heard that UNC is the most liberal university in the south. Could you compare it to some other similarly “liberal” schools.</p>

<p>thanks</p>

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<p>Liberal is not a bad thing because inherently it also means tolerant of other peoples’ beliefs.</p>

<p>It would not be hard to be the most liberal school in the south because most truly “southern” schools like South Carolina, Mississippi,Alabama tend to still have students there who have not yet accepted the fact that the Civil War is over and the South lost. </p>

<p>My D is a sophomore at South Carolina so I can say this with authority, the old South still lives in South Carolina and many other more "southern " schools. </p>

<p>UNC has several active organizations supporting gay rights for example…the demonstrations/parades like those held on campus by these groups at UNC would simply not be tolerated or even allowed at other southern schools This is just one example that quickly comes to mind. </p>

<p>You might be better served asking current UNC students their opinions on this since I can only echo what I hear from my S and D.</p>

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<p>Thanks for providing what info you could eadad.</p>

<p>I remember reading about a school, columbia or brown, that if you were a republican you better not bother enrolling because you would be plenty lonely. I just want to get a sense of UNC from that perspective. Diversity is really important. Overt, let alone sanctioned intolerence for any group bothers me.</p>

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<p>UNC is a liberal institution and North Carolina, in general, is a conservative state…though not so much as Alabama or South Carolina, as in most conservatives here have accepted the fact that the South lost the civil war. :-p</p>

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<p>yeah UNC is prbably as lberal as say Harvard or Columbia and Berkeley. ut still it dsen’t mean you won’t have conservative mates either</p>

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<p>As liberal as Berkeley??? OMG!</p>

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<p>yeah but it dosen’t mean there aren’t conservatives running around. and plus the fact that its liberal means it welcomes a broad range of ideas. no specifics are favored over another and there isn’t a monotonic appeal.</p>

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<p>I wouldn’t say as liberal as Berkley or Columbia…</p>

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<p>One minute we were talking about liberal compared to UVa, the next minute we are splitting hairs about whether it is the NC version of Berkley or Columbia. Considering that nice, welcoming, inclusive, selective, but ultimately moderate schools were the target can someone explain exactly what the political/social climate of UNC is?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

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<p>TYR:</p>

<p>“vc08, it is not a question of repeating rumors; that seems to be your forte. The basic information is available at the websites of the 2 schools, if you care to look for it.”</p>

<p>My forte? what an ignorant statement! how sad that you did not even bother to read my last posts, when I specifically quoted the exact score ranges, percents, etc. of those school’s websites! Just because you did not take the time to call the school to get the FACTS does not mean that others are wrong bc they DID take the time. I love it how some people try to disprove admissions officers, the people actually making the decisions! Think before you act, and you won’t look stupid when responding to others’ statements. Anyway, I believe this is getting away from the OP’s original question…</p>

<p>vistany: haha, i saw your alarm when UNC was referred to as Berkeley. My brother goes to UCB, I’ve grown up a HUGE Cal fan, and I will tell you that UNC is not Cal. The two atmospheres are completely different. Many people, especially adults who have not been to Berkeley since the 70s, if ever, remember it with Mario Savio, and the free speech riots, etc. It is not that way at all anymore. True, it is liberal, but many people base their opinions on how it was historically, not presently. In the case of UNC, I think it is liberal in that it is accepting of a diverse student body, and is a very progressive school. However, don’t get that confused with the picket-protests, ‘peace and love’ feeling of the 70s in Berkeley lol.</p>

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<p>okay vc08 so Mario Savio is not roaming the streets of UNC, (although he was the least of my worries) so if you would not mind, what school would you compare it to?</p>

<p>thanks!</p>

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<p>haha, you’re funny. I personally (though I’m not a student there, just an applicant like yourself), might compare it to Michigan. Though Mich. might be slightly more liberal. I wouldn’t worry too much about it, there are liberals and conservatives to be found on any campus, and UNC certainly isn’t known for it’s liberalism outside of perhaps the south (in CA, for example, I’ve never heard anyone speak of it). Take UCB, for example; 35% of the students consider themselves conservative, according to a recent study. I realize that is not a large number, but much larger than many people think. Most would be shocked to hear that it is over 10% lol!</p>

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<p>the point is that it really dosen’t matter what the majority of the students are. are you planning on not going if you found out that many of the students were conservative? or if many were liberal? its a great ACADEMIC institution. not a political one.</p>

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<p>Mark the only reason I could see someone bringing up political views in a school is because if a school is extreme on one end of the spectrum and the prospective student is on the other, that student may feel left out in the student body.</p>

<p>For example, my high school lacrosse coach went to the great, but extremely conservative Washington and Lee. Not that being conservative is necessarily a bad thing (let’s not get into politics here! haha) but she is an extremely liberal, active person so she was basically miserable for her four years of undergrad.</p>

<p>Needless to say, although UNC is overall a bit liberal, it is definitely quite moderate and people of all political affiliations can find their place.</p>

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<p>I went to Guilford College for two years, which I would say is probably one of the most liberal schools in NC (though it’s competitive with UNC Asheville and Warren Wilson in that sense). I absolutely loved it there, and even though I myself am liberal, I sometimes missed the lack of debate that could arise from having more representation on the political spectrum. There would definitely be debates on campus, but I felt that most points were tinted… shall we say leftly?</p>

<p>UNC is strong because of its size. Though one of my best friends is conservative and she sometimes jokingly says that she’s a dying breed at UNC, I know that isn’t true. What I’ve found is that with the underclassmen, it’s pretty evenly split down the middle, whereas the upperclassmen tend to be more liberal. This is just my experience, and thus anecdotal, so I’m sure you prospies will eat me up for it. That’s okay. :)</p>

<p>Anyway, if you feel any one way about an issue there will be tons of people right there with you. That’s probably one of my favorite parts of UNC, it reminds me of NYC in that way. More important than that, is if you feel one way, there will be tons of people to listen to you even if they don’t feel the same way. My friends and I are pretty liberal, but you can still find us discussing the merits of the Republican candidates for the '08 election. You may find disdain for FOX ‘news,’ but not Republicans/conservatives in general. I think that as long as you make a good case for yourself, you’re certainly welcome to feel any way that you feel.</p>

<p>My one complaint is that UNC, though definitely politically active and socially progressive, doesn’t thrive on political debate in an exhaustive sense. I was really close to going to GWU, and I do have to say I miss having a cafeteria filled with TVs all tuned to CNN. It would be neat to go to school with people who live breathe and eat domestic and international affairs… but honestly, I’ve only been here a semester and haven’t taken any poli sci/international studies courses yet. So perhaps they have yet to unveil themselves to me. :)</p>

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<p>cloying, very interesting input, thanks :)</p>

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I did read your last posts and only the SAT information may be reasonably accurate. It would interesting to discover why the information you reported, apparently from the admissions page, is different from the information relative to SAT ranges in UVA’s Common Date Set, which would reflect UVA’s 25-75% range as 1200-1420, rather than 1280-1490 as stated by you. [UVa</a> CDS - C. First-time, First-year Admission](<a href=“http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/cds/current/admissions.htm]UVa”>http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/cds/current/admissions.htm) Perhaps there is a reasonable explanation.</p>

<p>Contrary to your implication, I am not in the habit of quoting rumor and second hand information as fact, and in fact had a basis for the statements that I made that you attributed to “rumors”. Perhaps you need to take your own advice, and do your homework and think before you belittle other posters and make unsupported statements of fact.</p>

<p>Here are some of the statements you have made that are in no way supported by statistical information:</p>

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<p>What is you factual basis for this information? It is certainly not UVA. According to its site, 25% of the freshman class comes from non-public schools. [UVa</a> - Public vs. Private Admission](<a href=“http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/data_digest/adm_public.htm]UVa”>http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/data_digest/adm_public.htm) Based on the 2007 admissions numbers 812 students in the freshman class attended non-public schools. For your statement to be true, approximately 803 OOS students would have to have attended non-public schools. Do you really expect anyone to believe that 9 in-state students were the product of non-public schools? </p>

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<p>These, again, are factually inaccurate statements, unless you want to discredit statistical reports from the respective schools. UNC’s OOS admission rate hovers in the 18-20% range, while UVA’s is closer to 30%, approximately as I indicated. This based on “real” numbers obtained from the respective sites rather than “rumor”.</p>

<p>Since you apparently make no effort to determine the facts before accusing others of believing in rumors, I will make it easy for you. The OOS admission rate and yield rate for UVA for 2003-2007 is as follows:</p>

<p>Year Admit Yield
2003 30.5 38.1
2004 30.4 37.6
2005 30.4 35.1
2006 32.4 36.1
2007 27.3 34.3</p>

<p>Taken from: [IAS</a> Historical Data: First-Time First-Year Applicants by Residency](<a href=“http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/historical/admission/first_by_residency.htm]IAS”>http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/historical/admission/first_by_residency.htm)</p>

<p>I don’t believe that one year of an OOS admit rate of less than 30% over the last five years qualifies as an OOS admit rate of “around 25%”, “usually closer to 25%”, as you asserted.</p>

<p>The OOS admission rate and yield for UNC for 2002-2006 is as follows:</p>

<p>Year Admit Yield
2002 17.70 35.09
2003 18.78 31.21
2004 19.61 30.21
2005 19.78 30.87
2006 19.96 32.46</p>

<p>Taken from information at: <a href=“http://www.unc.edu/faculty/faccoun/reports/2006-07/commrepts/Report%20UAD%20Comparative%20Statistics%20Fall%202006.pdf[/url]”>http://www.unc.edu/faculty/faccoun/reports/2006-07/commrepts/Report%20UAD%20Comparative%20Statistics%20Fall%202006.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
I think you will find these numbers a whole lot more consistent with my statements than with yours. Perhaps you should learn to do you homework before making unsupported factual assertions. You will do much better is college if you develop this skill.</p>

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<p>[U.Va</a>. Office of Admission Profile](<a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/undergradadmission/profile.html]U.Va”>http://www.virginia.edu/undergradadmission/profile.html)
unsupported? umm, okay, if you call posts by the undergrad admissions office “unsupported.”</p>

<p>“Based on the 2007 admissions numbers 812 students in the freshman class attended non-public schools.”
^^^You are under the assumption that all prep schools are private, which is false. For example, I have a friend who attends school in MA, and this school has about 15 students per year admitted to UVA. However, it is an “exam” school, which qualifies as a prep school, but is not private. Therefore, some prep schools are public.</p>

<p>“These, again, are factually inaccurate statements, unless you want to discredit statistical reports from the respective schools. UNC’s OOS admission rate hovers in the 18-20% range, while UVA’s is closer to 30%, approximately as I indicated. This based on “real” numbers obtained from the respective sites rather than “rumor”.”</p>

<p>Haha, you’re quite funny. I clearly stated that those numbers were obtained from admissions representatives. Since they must be your coworkers after your in-depth knowledge of every stat down to the one-hundredth of a point, I suggest you take up the matter with them, not me. If the Dean of Admissions at UVA is misinformed of his own dept., that is his mistake, not mine. So stop saying “you asserted,” and start saying “he asserted.” For I am not the one who came up with those numbers or words; he did. And, to be honest, I think he knows a heck of a lot more than you.</p>

<p>“Since you apparently make no effort to determine the facts before accusing others of believing in rumors, I will make it easy for you.”
Thank you, that was quite considerate.</p>

<p>“Perhaps you should learn to do you homework before making unsupported factual assertions. You will do much better is college if you develop this skill.”
You seriously think I’m going to take YOUR advice, of all people? :wink: </p>

<p>Listen, just because I said a school is slightly harder to get into than the one you attend doesn’t mean you have to get your undies in a bunch. To be honest, there are schools (relatively speaking) out there that carry a bigger name than UNC, even public ones. There are also some that carry a bigger name than UVA. On the west coast, few people know UNC outside of “A really good basketball school.” Heck, most people are shocked when they find out it is a top-10 public school. I’m sure the same can be said for UCLA and USC on the East Coast. Of course, on the flip side, both UNC and UVA are some of the best schools in the country for academics and athletics. Just chill out! You will do a lot better in LIFE if you develop this skill.</p>

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<p>vc08, cloying and heathergee, thanks for your feedback. International affairs are a big interest, being an outsider as heathergee described her friend being sounds “miserable”.</p>

<p>It is the reason middle of the road schools were targeted and extremes (one way or the other) were left out of the mix.</p>