<p>even though a likely letter for unc does not = acceptance. Hypothetically if i get accepted OOS to unc, do i have a pretty good shot at getting into uva oos regular decision</p>
<p>Yes, I think you’ve got a very good chance at UVA if you’ve gotten a likely letter to UNC. Good luck!</p>
<p>kind of a random question but what does OOS stand for?</p>
<p>Out-of-state.</p>
<p>Once you receive a likely letter what are the chances of acceptance?</p>
<p>if you got a likely letter then you have a very good chance of being accepted. It means that they are really impressed with your app and if you don’t do anything stupid, you should be in. If you want a number, I’d say 85 or 90 percent.</p>
<p>Thanks Graj08, I’m amazed by the 85-90%. I was guessing 70%.</p>
<p>I really don’t see why they’d bother to send a likely letter to anyone that they’re not planning on accepting. I mean I know the admissions process can seem arbitrary at times but not in this case.</p>
<p>agreed, they would have obviously already read your app and want you in. UVA has a much more political OOS admission process, IMO (in that something like 80% of OOS students come from prep/private schools), so i think it is even harder to get in there than UNC</p>
<p>vc08</p>
<p>I strongly disagree with your comment/opinion about UVA being a tougher admit. First off, UNC OOS matriculation is capped at 18%, at UVA it is slightly over 30% so statistically alone UNC is a harder ticket to punch. While UVA may show bias to private/prep school kids (this I have no proof of) you are still competing for more seats than at UNC where the number of OOS students enrolled in a first year class is approx 650 from over 12,000 applicants.</p>
<p>Anecdotally I know of a very strong candidate last year from Dallas who was admitted to Notre dame, UVA, Boston College among others and was wait listed (that never cleared) at his top choice UNC. He just finished his first semester at UVA.</p>
<p>To see a profile of the current freshman class use this link:</p>
<p>[Office</a> of Institutional Research and Assessment - First-Time Freshman Class Profile, Fall 2007](<a href=“http://oira.unc.edu/first-time-freshman-class-profile-fall.html]Office”>http://oira.unc.edu/first-time-freshman-class-profile-fall.html)</p>
<p>eadad: first off, the people you know who were admitted to other schools tells us nothing. I know two people this year who had 2200+ and 2300+ SATs and were admitted to STANFORD early action but deferred from Michigan. Does this mean Michigan is harder to get into? I love the school, but would have to give Stanford the definite edge (compare 11% admit rate to 45%). </p>
<p>Secondly, UNC obviously admits more than 18% OOS; in fact, it is more around 25% according to the admissions officer that I spoke with. The 18% comes from the amount who actually attend. UVA also admits around 25% OOS, but has a higher yield, which is why their frosh. class has more admitted OOS students.</p>
<p>UVA also has a significantly higher SAT range (1210-1400 for UNC, and 1280-1490 for UVA). </p>
<p>Both UNC and UVA are extraordinary institutions, and certainly compete with each other for the top students in the world. But numbers don’t lie, and in this case UVA has the higher numbers. Of course, it should also be understood that numbers don’t tell the entire story, and as such, both are comparable in their admissions standards.</p>
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UVA also admits around 25% OOS, but has a higher yield, which is why their frosh. class has more admitted OOS students{/quote]</p>
<p>Its important to remember that legacies are given instate status for admissions purposes at UVa so this may influence the number of oos students in a first year class.</p>
<p>vc08: </p>
<p>Well, look at the “facts and figures” for the 2007 entering class at each school. For UNC-CH:</p>
<p>CLASS PROFILE
Fall 2007 - Applied - Admitted - Enrolled </p>
<p>20,064 applied
6,993 admitted (34.9%)
3,895 enrolled (55.7%)</p>
<p>Fall 2007 Enrolling Class - Demographics </p>
<p>80.4% North Carolina residents
19.6% residents of other states and countries</p>
<p>For UVA, 2007 entering class:</p>
<p>ADMISSION STATS (CLASS ENTERING 2007)
18,048 applications
6,274 offers of admission
3,260 students enrolling</p>
<p>So, by my calculation, the acceptance rate is about the same. However, if you also take into consideration vistany’s comment that
then UVA actually accepts <em>more</em> OOS than UNC; thus, UVA is an easier admit for OOS (and especially legacies). ;)</p>
<p>“then UVA actually accepts <em>more</em> OOS than UNC; thus, UVA is an easier admit for OOS (and especially legacies)”</p>
<p>No, UVA is a tougher admit UNLESS you are a legacy. Legacies count as OOS spots, so if you are not one, you are competing for less spots.</p>
<p>True, their overall admit rates are the same; the argument was over their OOS admit rates.</p>
<p>By putting numbers from various sources together, you would find that the OOS admit rate at UVA is roughly 30% and that at UNC is approximately 18%. The yield for OOS admits at UVA is a little higher than UNC’s; approximately 36% to 30%. These numbers, standing alone, would see to indicate that UNC is a tougher admit. However, they tell you nothing about the relative strengths of the applicant pools or what the two schools are looking for in potential students. The SAT score differenential could be nothing more than a reflection of the value placed on the score by the 2 schools. It has been noted on various occastions that UNC takes more of a holistic approach to admissions, and may not put as much emphasis on the SAT score.</p>
<p>vc08: Ah, I’m sorry-- you are correct. I did quote the overall admit rate, not the OOS admit rate. I have heard tyr’s numbers before, though, that the admit rate for OOS at UNC is ~18%.</p>
<p>My comment about the UVA legacies was based on vistany’s comment, which I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) meant that the OOS UVA legacies are counted as instate students in those statistics (similar to how OOS UNC merit scholarship awardees are counted as instate students in <em>some</em> of those quoted percentages). I don’t know if UVA does that or not, but that’s how I read vistany’s statement. Re-reading it, though, he/she probably just meant that the admission was easier, as you say.</p>
<p>To be perfectly honest I don’t know whether oos legacies are counted in the “instate” pool of applicants accepted or not.</p>
<p>To me, and this is just my opinion, UVa’s admissions dean’s statement that “out of state legacies are treated as instate students for the purposes of admissions” led me to believe that they effectlvely take the place in all ways of an instate student. </p>
<p>I did not understand that to mean they were accorded instate analysis for admissions and then counted as part of the 32% oos pool of admitted students. To me you are either accorded instate status for admissions or you are oos for admissions. Further to this point, Dean Blackburn was quoted as saying that legacies are so important to funding at UVa that he feels totally justified in according their children instate status.</p>
<p>Sorry I can’t provide more clarification than this.</p>
<p>vistany: I have no more information than the quote you provided either (that was stated at an admission info session I attended there).</p>
<p>janieblue/tyr: Believe the rumors if you wish, but an accredited source said the OOS admit rate for UNC is around 25%, while another source (dean of admissions, in fact) at UVA said their admit rate for OOS “fluctuates between 25-30%, usually closer to 25”</p>
<p>vc - When my husband and I attended the parent session of the CTOP session for oos students in the Fall of 2006, the UNC administration stated in one of their presentations the acceptance rate for oos students fluctuates between 15 and 20%.</p>
<p>vc08, it is not a question of repeating rumors; that seems to be your forte. The basic information is available at the websites of the 2 schools, if you care to look for it.</p>