<p>You go to Harvard, jimbosteve?
Wow, I was wondering why you sound so smart. You must be proud of yourself… I truly think you’re a good guy, I know not many are like you, you’re a good person 
I wish I could be as genuine and honest like you.</p>
<p>There’s really no point trying to help this kid. He cheated, lied, and now is trying to get everyone to feel sympathy for him. And when we don’t, he starts attacking them. Earn your grades honestly, don’t cheat.</p>
<p>Remember, if you cant handle failure with integrity, grow the [expletive] up.</p>
<p>I’m not a he?
lol but I’m not looking for sympathy, I just want opinions & it just makes me mad realizing you guys are perfect people, who have never done anything “bad”</p>
<p>Smarty, I think you are missing what most are saying here. There is a difference between making a mistake, which we have all done, and making a mistake and not accepting responsibility/repercussions for it- which is basically what you are doing.</p>
<p>Yeah I know but I think you’re missing what im saying Excepting & taking responsibilities can cause a lot of trouble and lead to no where</p>
<p>This is ludicrous. I completely agree with engineerhopeful now. He’s right. There is really no point trying to help this kid. I can tell that you’re going to go far, Smarty1201. I can’t believe you dare to justify a wrong deed in fear of fair consequences. As what many people have said, in the end, it’s about you. Make the right choice and move on. Have some dignity.</p>
<p>OP, its a vocab quiz that’s 20 points. Itll be okay. Just admit it, if it’s eating you up that badly.</p>
<p>Just accept the zero and move on. Promise yourself that you will never cheat again. If your grade ends up being an 88 or 88, the teacher could see that you changed an switch your grade to an A. One vocab test won’t kill u…</p>
<p><em>sigh</em> …</p>
<p>So can lying and cheating smarty. Consider cheating on tests a “gateway crime” (LOL). If you keep justifying why it is OK to cheat on a test, you will believe it. Then you may start cheating/ lying about other things too. Right now, you are not really sorry that you cheated, you are sorry you got caught. </p>
<p>My suggestion is to do one of two things:
- Talk to your teacher, appologize for your inappropriate actions. Ask if there is anything you can do to make up the missed grade. I personally do not think that retaking the quiz is appropriate, because it is not fair to the other kids. But maybe some other assignment? </p>
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<li>Drop the whole thing and accept the current consequences. Less chance of him escalating the discipline process if you do not approach him. </li>
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<p>If you do one of the above, the teacher may take mercy on you now, and help you out. Or may take mercy on you at the end of the semester and drop the grade- especially if it is a boarderline final grade and you keep your nose clean. Or he may make the grade stand. I think that there is only a tiny chance that the teacher will take discipline to the next level if you do either of the above. That is a lot of work for them, and for the most part, HS teachers want to see you all succeed. So are more likely to lean towards helping rather than punishing you. </p>
<p>What I would REALLY hate to see you do is to continue the lying and try to get out of it. There is a slight chance that you would convince your teacher to change your grade. But it could backfire on you too. Especially if the teacher thinks you are “making a fool of him” or being disrespectful knowing that he caught you red handed. Teachers take students lack of respect pretty seriously. It may make him take discipline to the next level out of shear anger at your disrespect. And you will have a much more difficult time working with him the rest of the year. </p>
<p>Whatever you decide to do, you are not likely to get a third chance with this teacher. Keep your nose clean, work hard, be prepared for class, and be respectful. Dont give him a reason to doubt your intentions the rest of the year. When you get ready to take a quiz, move your stuff far away from you to prevent any possibilty that your actions are misconstrued. </p>
<p>So, I hope that you are understanding my rationale, and what others are trying to tell you too. You need to make a decision here based on how you want this teacher to perceive you and your integrity. He knows you cheated- that is a done deal- you can not undo that. Now, are you also entitled, and think that you are above the rules? And do you think that he is dumb as a bag of rocks? Think about how you would feel if you were in his shoes, and how you would want the cheater to respond if you were the teacher. What actions would make you more lenient, or at least recoup some of the respect that was lost with the cheater?</p>
<p>^ okay this is what I’m going to do.
I’ll just leave everything as it is. And if I get a 0 on the quiz, I’ll just ask if there’s anything to bring my grade up, either re-taking it or extra credit, cause i deserve a 2nd chance.</p>
<p>^See, I still don’t understand why you think you deserve a second chance. That’s unfortunately not how school works. Even if you failed the quiz without cheating, your teacher probably wouldn’t give you a redo because you’re supposed to be responsible for studying. Not studying then lying about it makes it even worse, and certainly does not make you deserving of a grade boost.</p>
<p>“It” is a ■■■■■, folks.</p>
<p>im not saying im perfect or anything, and im not asking you to just listen to your morals, like some other people are saying… but at least do yourself the favor and ACCEPT the fact that you have cheated. whether or not you get the second chance is your teacher’s choice and his level of understanding and it’s not because YOU DESERVE it. it’s really bugging me that you think you deserve it cause you don’t. im not saying to stop cheating or become an angel, but have the decent to feel guilt and at least admit to yourself (if not anyone else) that you cheated. that’s all.</p>
<p>@ the idea that “HS teachers want to see you all succeed” and won’t bother takign disciplien to the next level: I copied a few homeworks from someone. Teacher went insane. Almsot got expelled. Now, though, I never cheat on anything at all ever. Instead I just lol@ the valedictorian who cheats in every single class and plagiarizes etc. WOnt cheat again cuz I know my luck would eff me over.</p>
<p>As you get older , the consequences get worse . If you cheat as an adult you might end up in jail . Think about that .</p>
<p>“smarty”, I don’t really think you’ve been getting the message that most of the people on this thread have been trying to send. Going up to the teacher and admitting your wrongdoing won’t help you at all, because you obviously don’t have any remorse for actually cheating. </p>
<p>In addition, it’s unlikely that your teacher is going to have much sympathy anyway. Based on your other threads, it appears that you either [tell</a> your teachers how to run their classes](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/1239754-teacher-being-unfair-illegal.html]tell”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/1239754-teacher-being-unfair-illegal.html) or consider them [stupid</a> and lazy.](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/1237055-stupid-lazy-teachers.html]stupid”>Stupid & Lazy Teachers - High School Life - College Confidential Forums) Your teachers are teachers for a reason, and they can reasonably expect to be treated with respect. Lying to them about cheating has the opposite effect.</p>
<p>If this has anything to do with your [valedictorian</a> ambitions](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/1226147-smart-people-meet-here.html]valedictorian”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/high-school-life/1226147-smart-people-meet-here.html), you can consider them shot down. Valedictorian is supposed to be a title of honor and integrity, and trying to cheat your way to the top (on minor quizzes!) also disrespects the position. Happily, most schools don’t let cheaters become valedictorians. </p>
<p>Unless you actually have a change in attitude, I wouldn’t expect anything else to change.</p>
<p>darkwalrus, that is why I receeded the statement with “for the most part”. There are a few out there that actually enjoy the discipline process and the power it gives them. But that is rare, most teachers really do want you to do well, and will work with you if you are genuine. </p>
<p>Sorry about your experience with your teacher.</p>
<p>@OP: Why did you even start a thread if you’re just going to argue with people who are trying to help you?</p>
<p>Anyways, back on to the topic. Don’t dwell on this. If the teacher decides to give you a zero, deal with it. Move on. If he allows you to retake it, good for you. Move on. Receiving a zero on a test and possibly receiving a B for a final grade won’t ruin your life. Your employer in 10 years won’t care if you made a B in English.</p>