<p>Numbers can lie, haven't you heard that you can lie with stastistics? How do you claim to know so much about College admission when you are still in high school is this right? and this counselor who has been a counselor for numerous kids that got accepted to HYPS doesn't know anything.</p>
<p>I have now oficially heard it all. Common Data Sets are lies kids!! What is your motive for happily giving misinformation Rich? It wouldn't matter if I was 5, someone needs to correct posters like you. Are you a parent? If yes, we are now clear on the fact that age does not correlate with knowledge.</p>
<p>I don't claim to know everything about college admission that is why I'm seeking knowledge here at CC and from the counselor and numerous books that I read. Haven't you heard of comprehensive review and holistics admission? I don't really have a motive, just try to learn this process as much as I can and so are others I think.</p>
<p>collegekid100: TooRichForAid seems to want to "validate" other posters' merits based on silly factors. I agree, CDSs are more factual than the hearsay that drives people to give bad advice.</p>
<p>No I merely questioning it. I still yet to reach the truth. Again I asked the couselor who has counseled number kids that got into HYPS, what is your experience in college admision. You both are still in high school right?</p>
<p>Wrong again. It's just idiotic to say CDSs are not the bottom line. There are tons of crappy, dated counselors. Learning is great, but why would you tell a kid not to retake a 2250 when you're just learning? </p>
<p>Your holistic review only takes place once you have the stats.</p>
<p>what do you mean by dated? This person is counseling numerous students that got into HYPMS every year. How is that this person is dated and you have accurate information and you are still in high school right?</p>
<p>I got the accurate info right here on CC. They seem to believe CDSs are true as they even highlight them! Unless your kid goes to Exeter or similar, don't put too much faith in the counselor. Kids get into HYPS for all sorts of reasons--60% for being athletes, legacies, URMs or filhy rich and famous.</p>
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<p>arrogant?</p>
<p>The counserlor is from very rich and good school district, this counselor's son also got into HYMP. This school district also sents more than 25% to top 20 schools. So let's not have flaunt that attitude that I'm from Exeter/Andover high school and I know better.</p>
<p>I'm not from one, but I do think they have the best college counselors there are other than some top NYC prep schools. That's opinion Rich, not fact like CDSs.</p>
<p>They maybe in the same workshop that this counselor was invited. She said only private high schools from the East Coast that were invited.</p>
<p>Correction, she did not say the CDS is not fact. She was trying to help me interpret the CDS which I had a question with.</p>
<p>Tell her to turn up her hearing aid this year, times, they are a changing.</p>
<p>Why the personal attack? What hearing aid?</p>
<p>Wait, so she helped you interpret them by saying that colleges spend two seconds looking at test scores? The CDS shows that better scores=better chances, but she claims that is scores don't mean much. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
She basically is saying the CDS's are lying.</p>
<p>Back to topic, I think scores should be counted as 45%; GPA 35%; EC's 20%</p>
<p>She did not say that the CDS's are lying. She said in the workshop they spent 2 seconds by looking at the scores. If you look at a certain school CDS, it reports from 700-800 range for each subject test and the percentage that got in. Where does it say that the 800 has better chance than the 700? No where.</p>
<p>What you think and what they do are two different things?</p>
<p>What your counselor thinks and what the colleges do are two different things.
The common data sets are based on statistics of thousands and thousands of kids every year. They take into account everything (region, race, financial situations). Your counselor probably sees 100 kids a year with the same region, probably the same race, and probably the same financial situation. Your counselor is basing her opinion on her experiences alone. CDS's are SO much bigger. </p>
<p>It is ridiculous for your counselor to say what is on the CDS's is not true. She probably shouldn't have a job.</p>
<p>^^I think you should read my post again.
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She did not say that the CDS's are lying. She said in the workshop they spent 2 seconds by looking at the scores. If you look at a certain school CDS, it reports from 700-800 range for each subject test and the percentage that got in. Where does it say that the 800 has better chance than the 700? No where.
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My original point is don't spend your time improving from 2250 to 2400. Can you use the CDS to prove anything different. The CDS only shows a range and the percentage of people that the school admitted with in that range. Where did it say if you are 800 you have better chance than the kid with 700. If there is please show me. yes the numbers are there but how you choose to interpret them is up to you.</p>
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<p>Wrong, this school is very diverse in term of social economic status and ethnicities.</p>
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Believe whatever you want, but the statistics of college admission at this school is better than average.</p>
<p>I haven't seen the CDS's. I figured it was just common knowledge that 2400's have better chances that 2250's, just like 2250's have better chances than 2100's. etc..
Really, the only thing I wanted to point out in the thread was that numbers are more reliable than a college counselor. There is no way around that. You can argue all you want, but numbers do not lie.
I do believe colleges are focusing on the SAT less, but believing that they look at it for only two seconds is just ignorant. I wouldn't be surprised if she just said that so you would stop worrying about your child's weak test scores. Scores DO matter, if someone tells you otherwise, they are lying.</p>