<p>BYU is Brigham Young? No? Yes?</p>
<p>I find it very interesting that you have found so many from the Olympia area that are drawn to BYU- even the Mormons I know in the Seattle area aren't interested in BYU so what is it about Olympia that makes them more interested?
Certainly it is a lot less expensive for the faithful to attend BYU than just about any other school, are Olympians simply more frugal?</p>
<p>Well, we are much poorer, if that's what you mean. Don't know that it is necessarily cheaper for a candidate with a $50k family income (the average in Olympia) than going to HYPS. With very rare exceptions, though (the two that I cited), all the HYPS acceptees are recruited athletes.</p>
<p>Mini, why do you like Whitman more than Pomona?</p>
<p>Mini said: "[Whitman] is slightly less selective than, say, Pomona"</p>
<p>If "slightly" represents a "rather small degree" and "selectivity" is still expressed in a combination of acceptance rates, percentages of students in top 10%, and SAT scores, this statement is simply inaccurate and misleading. </p>
<p>Pomona is easily one of the three or four most selective LAC's with SAT average above 1450, an acceptance rate below 20%, and 80% of its freshmen class graduating in the top 10% of their class. </p>
<p>In comparison, Whitman SATs are barely above 1300, has a 50% in admission rate, and its frehsman class is in the 50% range for top 10% students. And that is NOT a slight difference at all!</p>
<p>A better comparison for selectivity would rank Whitman between Wellesley and Smith, and at the level of Grinnell or Reed.</p>
<p>I like Pomona, but I thought the urban"ish" campus rather cramped. What I find attractive about Whitman is its rather expansive campus in a magnificent outdoor city, and located inside (within walking distance) of a real town (Claremont hardly qualifies, at least to me). Personally, I also like the climate better. Fortunately or unfortunately (I lean toward the latter), they are becoming more selective these days.</p>
<p>Pomona has many assets (including a huge endowment). They could be a lot more, in my opinion than they are if they worked in greater collaboration with the other members of the consortium, rather than feeling like they were fending them off. We were singularly put-off by their admissions office (and tour guide), and others may have different experiences, which is why it is worth visiting. (My d. ended up liking Scripps more than Pomona, with better musical opportunities, more arts, a better thought-out core concept, excellent Romance languages, and the joint science program, but others will feel differently.) (If it were for me, just being who I am, I'd probably choose Occidental.)</p>
<p>Mini, what do you think of Pitzer? Have you ever visited the Univ of Redlands or Chapman? LMU or Univ of San Diego?</p>
<p>Only Pitzer. I have a sense that it is changing. It used to be "pooh man's Claremont", easier to get in, smaller endowment, unsightly dorms, easy curriculum, slacker students, etc, etc. But they seem to be boosting their academic offerings, and, if I remember correctly, last year they won more Fulbrights than Pomona, Scripps, CMC, and Harvey Mudd combined, and 21 over the past three years. Has (or at least used to have) an extraordinary anthropology department, and, combined with all the external studies, folks can find themselves led in all sorts of directions.</p>
<p>Top Producers of Fulbright Awards for Students in Baccalaureate colleges 2004-5</p>
<p>Numbers are Number of awards and Number of applicants</p>
<p>Wellesley College 10 36
Smith College 9 28
Claremont McKenna College 6 18
Pomona College 6 35
Swarthmore College 6 21
Colgate U. 5 28
Kalamazoo College 5 8
Middlebury College 5 12
Pitzer College 5 27
Vassar College 5 15
Source: <a href="http://chronicle.com/prm/weekly/v51/i09/09a05403.htm%5B/url%5D">http://chronicle.com/prm/weekly/v51/i09/09a05403.htm</a> or <a href="http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/rvp/pubaf/04/chetable.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/rvp/pubaf/04/chetable.html</a>
Volume 51, Issue 9, Page A54</p>
<p>For the 10 PItzer winners of 2005-2006:
<a href="http://www.pitzer.edu/news_center/articles/2005_may02_fulbrights.asp%5B/url%5D">http://www.pitzer.edu/news_center/articles/2005_may02_fulbrights.asp</a></p>
<p>I thought Smith just passed Wellesley. Guess I was wrong. Maybe it was another award.</p>
<p>Yes. Smith did pass Wellesley this year, with 14. And Pitzer this year had 10. Of course, in all cases, this is just a tiny proportion of the student body. An indicator of the quality of advising more than anything else, and even then, a better indicator would be to link the number of Fulbrights, etc., to entering SAT scores/class rank/selectivity to see what the "value-added" of the school actually is. In Pitzer's case, it is tremendous.</p>
<p>"You need some schools in between HYPS & BYU!!!"</p>
<p>Which is partly the reason why I started this thread, but I also know that I could be happy at BYU and have all expenses paid. So, in the dice-roll that is HYPS admissions, if I don't get accepted to any of those I know I have another option.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I still want to apply to other colleges that are inbetween BYU and HYPS in terms of prestige, selectivity, etc.</p>
<p>Link deleted</p>
<p>The professor mentioned in the above cited article was convicted -- not sure what the exact crime was, but it was established that she had painted the epitaths on her car herself.</p>
<p>Don't get to excited about that (old and polemical) report.</p>
<p>what about hate crime itself</p>
<p>You could go online and find back issues of the various Claremont colleges newspapers to see how the different colleges handled these things. I know it was a hot issue, especially after the car incident, but I don't have first hand knowledge of the situation as my child transferred in second semester last year. To her knowledge there were not hate crime incidents happening then.</p>
<p>No hate crime. The visiting professor staged the whole thing and was caught.</p>
<p>Just to account correctly for the number of 2005-2006 Fulbrights in Claremont, one needs to add 7 at Pomona and 10 at CMC to the 10 from Pitzer. </p>
<p>Ten Claremont McKenna College alumni have been selected for the 2005-6 Fulbright U.S. Student Program, which funds graduate study, research and Teaching Assistantships abroad for the nations top young scholars. After winning six grants last year, The Chronicle of Higher Education ranked Claremont McKenna College as third, nationally, among undergraduate colleges for the number of Fulbright Scholars it produces.
Claremont</a> McKenna Article</p>
<p>Seven graduates of the Pomona College Class of 2005 have received prestigious Fulbright Fellowships to pursue research or teach around the globe.
Pomona</a> Article</p>