You are a prime example of a small, but divisive group of people, that favor provincial historical institutions, over the real feelings and plights of an actual race; here is a hint, one is basically an optional legal fiction, the other a real group of people with a horrific delineated history with said institutions. Telling…
268 [quote] Remember the old saying, when dog bites man, it's not news. When man bites dog, it's news. People say racist things all the time. The fact that an isolated incident on a busload of fraternity members made news is proof that fraternity members are actually held to a higher standard than average citizens.
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Like Earl, I’m a southerner. I’m white. Outside of movies, music, etc. - I haven’t heard anyone use the N word in more than 50 years. The lynching reference just literally took my breath away when I read it. It was so horrific, I haven’t even been able to comment on it here till now. I am still in utter disbelief someone sang that. They need a history course.
http://withoutsanctuary.org/main.html
ETA: crossposted with several of boolaHI’s posts
Spoken like an unapologetic putative elitist…well done!
Look, boola. In my sorority we had off-color songs about our sexual desirability (I’ll just leave it at that). They would fall under ribald and naughty, not obscene. Nonetheless, they don’t reflect what national wanted us to sing, they aren’t in any official songbook, they just got passed down through word of mouth.
If I went to a conference, and sat around and had a few glasses of wine with other girls, and we got silly, we might have shared that song. That doesn’t mean that it’s endorsed by national and it doesn’t mean that there is a systemic sorority-wide mission to make us all sluts.
My analogy to a couple at a conference fooling around is spot-on.
So when looking at Pettit, we ought to keep in mind that he had a pricey lawyer or media consultant grooming him for his appearance before the cameras, whereas most students in the same situation would not have that benefit.
PG: Can you imagine a conference/fraternity event where people sing drinking songs about Auschwitz?
Why don’t you in your care-free, nothing too big is going on, why frats as a WHOLE, represent the 6th riskiest, risk management risk in the entire US?
Yes, we know, CF. People with money are suspect and bad. Got it. It’s a perseveration of yours. Well, unless they have 7 bikes and that’s an ok use of money.
Alh - of course not. I didn’t say the songs were acceptable. I said boola is incapable of differentiating between what is national’s agenda and what isn’t.
And was is most endearing about you, is your assumption that you are the only successful person with money on the board, how utterly sweet and pretentious…
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Sister, you don’t know a thing about me, so let me speak for myself, as the world I have lived, is one you have no insight and bearing…
Read and objectively allow yourself to be educated:http://www.npr.org/2014/02/25/281994720/the-business-of-frats-shifting-liability-for-trauma-and-injury
At least 57 people have been killed since 2005 in incidents involving fraternities or their members…
The relevant point here is that the fraternities have figured out how to shift the risk from themselves to the parents of the fraternity members. If someone makes a claim against a fraternity for some liability, the fraternity doesn’t pay. They throw the liable fraternity member over the side, and the plaintiffs go after the parents’ house.
CF, indeed. It’s telling on many different levels to deploy such a risk management strategy…
What is spot-on PG, is your consistent advocacy of an obvious flawed status quo…
I’m not going to be held responsible for what other people who happen to be Greek do wrong, any more than you, boola, should be held or feel responsible for what other people who happen to be black do wrong.
Just a side point, all Greek houses at OU are required to be dry.
"You are a prime example of a small, but divisive group of people, that favor provincial historical institutions, over the real feelings and plights of an actual race; here is a hint, one is basically an optional legal fiction, the other a real group of people with a horrific delineated history with said institutions. "
Boola - I despise the n word. I would never use it, anyone who would use it in my home would be asked to leave. I stopped a burgeoning friendship once because I found out that the person flew a Confederate flag outside her home, and I find the Conf flag pretty much despicable and offensive in any context other than in a museum. I AM NOT DEFENDING THE WORD OR THE CHANT. I am taking issue with your lack of understanding that a national fraternity cannot possibly oversee the private actions of each and every single one of its members, or that a member or group of members choosing to do X means that it is part of a systemic campaign by that national organization to promote X.