<p>Hi Lukesfan,</p>
<p>I would be very interested in finding out more about the scholarship at GCC. Are you saying that it’s too late for my son to be eligible even though he’s a junior this year? I’ve not heard of it and we don’t get any mail from GCC so please PM me if it’s possible for my son to look into this.</p>
<p>I really appreciate your post. You’ve made some great points to ponder. </p>
<p>Our pastor did meet his wife at Princeton through the Evangelical Fellowship so I do know it’s possible to meet others of strong faith but I also know it will be an incredible challenge to my son’s faith if he does go to a secular college. We are counseling as much as possible with men at our church that have gone to secular colleges such as Penn and Princeton so we can get an accurate understanding of the culture. And God could easily close those doors.</p>
<p>Kiplinger’s just released their annual “Top Values” in higher education for 2011. </p>
<p>This ranking, unlike many of the collegiate “beauty contests”, seeks to assess “value” vs. cheap. Measures essentially balance net cost, net debt, academic quality measures, and student selectivity. They evaluate the top 200 private institutions.</p>
<p>Wheaton is ranked #1 among Illinois institutions, and #17 nationally.</p>
<p>Grove City has not been on the list for many years, and once again is AWOL. Seems Kiplinger’s might concur with a number of points illustrated on this forum comparing these 2 Christian colleges. As retailers continually either promote or cover up (depending on which end of the quality issue they reside), value and cost/cheap are totally different concepts that people often confuse. And as we learn, even on purchasing “big ticket” items.</p>
<p>To Whistle Pig: </p>
<p>Wow. I am new to this thread. But I need to agree with others who point out that you definitely demonstrate a chip on your shoulder when discussing GCC. Nothing personal. Big deal that Kiplinger has not recognized GCC (I wonder if it ever has). Wheaton is probably better known across the country, but I am not sure if it makes it a better school.</p>
<p>To painman:
Good for you. Stick to your guns, but you may hope you don’t get this one in a debate tournament. </p>
<p>Re: the Kiplinger thing? We might agree but for one thing. Were GCC #1 … it’d be on p.1 of every pub and website GCC owns and operates. 
Believe it.</p>
<p>The ultimate issue is the model. Wheaton and GCC are apples and oranges. I’ve no issue or problem beyond those who would even mention them as being somehow comparable or similar. They aren’t. This is not about PR, except maybe in your mind.</p>
<p>btw, failed to add my “welcome!” :)</p>
<p>and btw#2 … Kiplingers states as its #1 objective in evaluating colleges …quality. Take it for what it’s worth.</p>
<p>Wheaton (IL) is not that well known. Most people think Wheaton (MA).</p>
<p>Huh?:eek: I’d beg to differ. Me thinks informative may be less than informed? Or joking?:D</p>
<p>Both are fine places. One is an internationally recognized institution, students from all over the world, highly selective admissions, home of Billy Graham Center. Conversely, much of the world has no clue there’s a name-alike somewhere in the wilds of MA. I confess to getting a belly-laugh tho. Thanks! :)</p>
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<p>This is definitely not true in our area of the US ¶. People around here don’t know that Wheaton (MA) exists. They are surprised when they find out there are two colleges with the same name. And it’s not like we send area students to Wheaton (IL) either. One current junior in our local high school plans to go there (she’s going to be a NMS - the first for our school in eons), but that’s all I can think of. Wheaton (IL) is definitely the more recognized school - at least - outside of New England.</p>
<p>When we lived in Florida, I (personally) didn’t even know Wheaton (MA) existed, but I knew about Wheaton (IL) even though the school was never on my radar.</p>
<p>In Christian circles, Wheaton (IL) is very well known.</p>
<p>Informative has never been out of Boston. He’s very provincial.</p>
<p>while unaware of his whereabouts, he may be what several New England guidance gurus were alluding to in noting many NE students who perceive themselves as worldly … and that world of theirs ends @ the Hudson River. And because there are so many of them, they unduly prop up the plethora of college campuses on the bases of demography and blind lemming-like faith in lieu of quality and value. The bottomline is lots of relatively ho-hum providers for lots of naive, bright, relatively affluent students absent a clue of about 40+ states and about 3,000 great schools, while paying way too much for way too little because of too much ignorance and too little sophistication about such matters. :eek: ;)</p>
<p>I’ve known kids who have gone to GCC and adults as well. Excellent college, excellent value and one that should be considered. If you don’t like, it well and good.</p>
<p>I also know a family whose very successful kids went to Liberty College. They are happy, doing well and well educated at reasonable prices. My kids weren’t interested, but if they were, I would happily have included such schools on my list.</p>
<p>Article published July 20, 2011</p>
<p>GCC’s school code reactivated</p>
<p>GROVE CITY Grove City College’s Federal School Code, which was deactivated this past year by the U.S. Department of Education, has recently been reactivated through the efforts of U.S. Sen. Pat Toomey.
The reactivation of the school code will allow the college’s students to continue to receive state aid although the college does not participate in Title IV federal student aid programs.
The decision to deactivate the code for Grove City and other colleges and universities that do not accept or receive federal aid was an effort by the department to streamline online operations and prevent students from misinterpreting what schools accept and do not accept federal aid.
The unintended consequence of deactivating the college’s school code would prevent students from using the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) to apply for state aid and outside scholarships.
In response to a letter from college President Richard Jewell, Toomey’s office contacted the department regarding this issue and an exception was made, allowing for the college’s school code to be reactivated.</p>
<p>Wheaton > Grove City</p>
<p>And I don’t think it’s close.</p>
<p>Wheaton > Grove City</p>
<p>And I don’t think it’s close.</p>
<p>WELL, DON’T STOP THERE, TELL US WHY…</p>
<p>My brother and four close relatives (so far) have attended Wheaton College. My other three siblings and a sister-in-law attended Grove City. (Interestingly enough, I opted for Hillsdale - knowing absolutely nothing of its connection to the other two - and thus consider myself the lone, ultimate winner in the family - !) Having spent much of my own life closely tied to both colleges, I think I must give the edge to Grove City. The school refuses federal funds, a noble and earth-shattering plus; the campus and surrounding area, though rural, are far more beautiful than what can be found next to Chicago; and while Wheaton College honestly seems to be taking a tragic slide in regards to both its religious and political attitudes - sort of like the Ivy League did LONG ago - Grove City (and Hillsdale, for that matter!) is going strong. Very, very strong.</p>
<p>Bro Atticus … Can you tell us more about what you describe as Wheaton’s “tragic slide?”</p>
<p>It’s because Wheaton allows dancing ;)</p>
<p>OMG! Shoulda known! What next? Card playing?? Pant suits to Sunday vespers? Thong underwear?? Satan’s playground!</p>
<p>Where oh where is the Church Lady when she’s needed!</p>
<p>"OMG! Shoulda known! What next? Card playing?? Pant suits to Sunday vespers? Thong underwear?? Satan’s playground!</p>
<p>Where oh where is the Church Lady when she’s needed! "</p>
<p>^There is absolutely no reason to be talking about that on this website</p>
<p>I have been following this thread and I would like to say something, because I am dumbfounded. If you have something actually beneficial to say about either of the colleges for curious prospective students then share. No need to bash, its childish…</p>
<p>P.S. These schools are mostly for Christian students, comments like those are the exact opposite of how a Christian upholds themselves. Quite the turnoff. </p>
<p>Anyone have any pleasant, friendly or helpful advice for a student interested in these colleges?</p>