<p>Is there such a thing as the perfect applicant, meaning the student can get into HYPMS and other top schools without worrying about rejection? </p>
<p>Discuss</p>
<p>nooooooooooooo. i know people who seemed to have the perfect application and got rejected at HYP.</p>
<p>wat abt someone with perfect SAT/ACT, amazing GPA, valedictorian, president of every club and the hardest course load imaginable? is it possible for such a person to get rejected?</p>
<p>Yes, if the adcoms decide he wouldn't be able to contribute as much to the school as someone else who is better in an area.</p>
<p>I'll discuss such a candidate targetting Princeton</p>
<p>SAT1 > 2300 (26% Accpetance rate)
SAT2 > 2300
GPA: 4 (UW) (16.8% Acceptance)
Private Prep (43% are from private schools) (30% Acceptance)
National AP Scholar After Junior Year
NMSF
One Passionate Activity</p>
<p>Just have all the above and your chances at Princeton will exceed 50%.
If you become a valedictorian at a competitive Private Prep school with a rigorous curriculumn then you chances will exceed 75%.</p>
<p>vishnucmouli it next to impossible that a valedictorian at a competitive private prep school with all the above stats will get rejected from Princeton. HYP admissions are crap but still logical.</p>
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<p>maybe you meant, "crapshoots"??</p>
<p>i didn't realize that 43% of the Princeton undergrad body is from private school!! surprising and interesting</p>
<p>^^^: But it is true and Yale has a wooping 45%. So it is really hard for a valedictorian from a private prep school to be rejected.</p>
<p>I was referring to chances being crap.</p>
<p>No one is guaranteed a spot in HYPMS. And no one can say that by meeting a list of criteria that one's chance of getting into a Ivy League is x%.</p>
<p>Princeton list itself on its website the following information:
% of applicants accepted
2300 - 2400 26%
4.0 GPA - 16.8%</p>
<p>Even a high school kid without having knowledge of statistics will tell you that means a student with SAT1 score > 2300 has a chance of 26% instead of 9.7% everyone else have.
So if that same student have a GPA of 4.0 then it will increase the chance from 26% to 35% may be more.
If you look into the number of students applying from private prep and the number accepted then you won't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the above student chances will increase to 50%.</p>
<p>Outside of being famous, a recruited athlete, and/or a major benefactor, no.</p>
<p>You can't combine the statistics because many of the 26% with SATs of 2300 or over have 4.0 gpas, thus you would be counting them twice. Same with saying everyone other than the 2300 club has a 9.7% chance when they are included in the 9.7% accepted students (it would be lower). They don't appear to provide combined stats on the site.<br>
OP: All you need to do is look at the acceptance/ rejection threads to see that there is no such thing as an automatic acceptance at HYPSM.</p>
<p>^^^: I'll strongly contend that. It is simple probability that if there are two event then there probability is added. Since both these are not independent that is why I didn't say that combined probability is (26 + 16.8) as there will be probability of both and so the combined probability is less that is around 35%.</p>
<p>You are strongly mistaken if you think that it is a crap shot to get into HYP irrespective of how prepared a student is.
The chances of a candidate increases dramatically with the accomplishments. Yes, it is never 100% but a chance > 75% is as sure as you can get when the overall acceptance rate is < 10%.</p>
<p>okay so if you become the val of a top private school, your chances increase?</p>
<p>wait, if you are saying that 43 percent come from private schools, wouldn't that mean that public schools are better?</p>
<p>Not when the overwhelming majority of students attend public schools and make up about only half of those schools.</p>
<p>^^^: The number of students attending private high schools are less than 10% so if there are > 40% of the students come from private school then the chances of acceptances from a private school is indeed higher.</p>
<p>What about being a native American on top of the rest?</p>
<p>POIH - Where do you get your figures? How do you come up with 35%? Sources please. As for me being strongly mistaken, I think not. There are no automatic acceptances. Again see all of those rejected stellar students on the acceptance/rejection thread. Don't mislead these kids with a bunch of fudged calculations. There are many non-numerical factors that go into the admissions decisions. Even the big state universities are moving away from pure stats decisions.</p>
<p>yea if you are like this one person i know that got (couple years ago)</p>
<p>1600/4.0GPA/Siemens National 3rd Place/Intel STS top 10 nationally (forgot which place)/Math Olympiad Qualifier (3xUSAMO qualifier)/USNCO qualifier/and like all state golf, tennis, and a bunch of other crap like she played at Carnegie Hall and Stuff...i dont know how she manage to pull all that off...but yea she got accepted to every college, went to Harvard.</p>
<p>If you really want to know who she was, she was USA-Today All America first team academics high school or something like that...just google that...</p>